Who's better........Kobe or Jordan?

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I kid....I kid.....



Da WOLF iz in the H.

RƠƇҠ ƠƝ wrote:

Kobe, gasol and odom all had huge roles

And you also can't forget about god damn Trevor Ariza with those clutch inbound-pass steals to basically win 2 games vs. the Nuggets.

btw alpha, where the hell did you hear phil Jackson say "Kobe is the best player I have ever coached"

?????

Now I know your talking out of your ass

I am confused. In the original post you put I kid I kid yet you can actually argue this. Is Kobe better or isn't he. At least make up your mind.

Kobe has had better teams than Jordan no doubt RO. Rodman and Pippen do not equal Gasol, Bynum, Odom, plus Ariza. The rest of Jordan's teammates were pretty much scrubs

RƠƇҠ ƠƝ wrote:

btw alpha, where the hell did you hear phil Jackson say "Kobe is the best player I have ever coached"

?????

Now I know your talking out of your ass

Its on Youtube dude!!!
relax Ro lol
ill Embed the vid here in a sec

RƠƇҠ ƠƝ wrote:

KB24-Hustlin wrote:

RƠƇҠ ƠƝ wrote:

Exactly WCB.

Kobe was on a team ready to win, while MJ had no one for 3 years.

And again, what has kobe done without any other allstar?

He hasnt even been past the 1st round.

So whatever you say about MJ, your pretty much saying about Kobe

MJ had a Top 50 Player as his sidekick man
Kobe had pau gasol.

Obviously Kobe did more with Less then Jordan did.

Kobe also had Odom, bynum, ariza, and fisher.

Jordan had Pippen [rodman only for 3 years] and a bunch of role players.

Kobe, gasol and odom all had huge roles

those "role players" won 55 games and got to the 2nd round without Jordan!......they replaced MJ's allworld Offense and defense with Pete Myers....a CBA player.

HAHAHAHAHA

if kareem was considered the best center when he was 40 then I guess the 80's were weak right?

he averaged 14 PPG, and 6 RPG at 40

PJ saying Kobe has better skills then MJ

So Jordan was able to make a second round exit team a champion for 6 straight years. Sounds pretty impressive.

RƠƇҠ ƠƝ wrote:

HAHAHAHAHA

if kareem was considered the best center when he was 40 then I guess the 80's were weak right?

he averaged 14 PPG, and 6 RPG at 40

if only he had Craig Ehlo on him........

better skills.

That doesnt mean better player.

Rasheed Wallace is more skilled than Dwight howard... does that make him better?

West Coast Bias wrote:

So Jordan was able to make a second round exit team a champion for 6 straight years. Sounds pretty impressive.

They didnt do Poorly with out MJ
they did better then everyone expected them to be.


Take Kobe from this Lakers squad and they don't go to the 2nd Round. IF all teams were healthy

West Coast Bias wrote:

So Jordan was able to make a second round exit team a champion for 6 straight years. Sounds pretty impressive.

actually the Bull's did'nt start winning until Pippen came too.....and it was'nt 6 straight years...they 3 peated...then MJ retired...the next year they only dropped 2 games.....MJ came back and they Lost to the Magic(they did better the year before without MJ)...they add the best defender in Rodman and win 3 more!..MJ retires again, comes back a couple years later and leads the Wizards to 2 straight losing seasons.

AlphaWolf wrote:

if only he had Craig Ehlo on him........

This is your comeback?

In the video, the only thing I heard Phil say Kobe was better at was three point shooting. That is one thing.

AlphaWolf wrote:

West Coast Bias wrote:

So Jordan was able to make a second round exit team a champion for 6 straight years. Sounds pretty impressive.

actually the Bull's did'nt start winning until Pippen came too.....and it was'nt 6 straight years...they 3 peated...then MJ retired...the next year they only dropped 2 games.....MJ came back and they Lost to the Magic(they did better the year before without MJ)...they add the best defender in Rodman and win 3 more!..MJ retires again, comes back a couple years later and leads the Wizards to 2 straight losing seasons.

Kobe gets drafted by the lakers who have shaq, fisher horry etc.

they bring in the bulls coaching staff and they 3 peat.

Shaq leaves along with Phil and Kobe and the lakers crumble, phil comes back, as well as fisher, they trade for gasol, they had odom and they win again.

And not to mention that Kobe lost in the finals twice.

something Jordan never did.

Raza wrote:

AlphaWolf wrote:

if only he had Craig Ehlo on him........

This is your comeback?

yeah if only Kareem had Craig ehlo on him.....you know Craig Right?......the defensive stopper

AlphaWolf wrote:

West Coast Bias wrote:

So Jordan was able to make a second round exit team a champion for 6 straight years. Sounds pretty impressive.

actually the Bull's did'nt start winning until Pippen came too.....and it was'nt 6 straight years...they 3 peated...then MJ retired...the next year they only dropped 2 games.....MJ came back and they Lost to the Magic(they did better the year before without MJ)...they add the best defender in Rodman and win 3 more!..MJ retires again, comes back a couple years later and leads the Wizards to 2 straight losing seasons.

the seasons he was there the whole season, they won 6 straight. And the 94-95 team had Pippen so.... what does Pippen not being there in 85 have anything to do with MJ making a 2nd round exit team a Champion once again.

RƠƇҠ ƠƝ wrote:

AlphaWolf wrote:

West Coast Bias wrote:

So Jordan was able to make a second round exit team a champion for 6 straight years. Sounds pretty impressive.

actually the Bull's did'nt start winning until Pippen came too.....and it was'nt 6 straight years...they 3 peated...then MJ retired...the next year they only dropped 2 games.....MJ came back and they Lost to the Magic(they did better the year before without MJ)...they add the best defender in Rodman and win 3 more!..MJ retires again, comes back a couple years later and leads the Wizards to 2 straight losing seasons.

Kobe gets drafted by the lakers who have shaq, fisher horry etc.

they bring in the bulls coaching staff and they 3 peat.

Shaq leaves along with Phil and Kobe and the lakers crumble, phil comes back, as well as fisher, they trade for gasol, they had odom and they win again.

And not to mention that Kobe lost in the finals twice.

something Jordan never did.

Jordan joined a losing team in 1984. His first year, they remained a losing team. The next year, they were a losing team. The third year, they posted their 3rd consecutive losing season. During Jordan's first three years, he was not able to make the Bulls into a contender. He couldn't even get them above .500. This man has a legendary "will to win", but can't win? Then, the Bulls add Horace Grant and Scottie Pippen, the next year, and the Bulls put up a winning record and advance another round of the playoffs. The Bulls keep adding players and they keep winning more and more until they win 3 titles. Jordan retires, and the Bulls only slip 2 games. He comes back the next year, and they do WORSE in the playoffs than they did the year before him. After the Bulls add Rodman and win 3 more titles, they disband the team. Two years later, Jordan joins a losing Wizards team. Under Jordan, they remain a losing team both years and fail to make the playoffs each year. He retires again, and the Wizards continue losing the next year.

Do you see the trend? Jordan joins teams and they don't turn into contenders. They don't even get above .500, even during his second year there. When he leaves, they stay the same. If they are a good team, they continue winning games and if they are a losing team with Jordan, they continue losing games. Jordan doesn't "will" teams to a new level. His impact to the win column is minimal. How, then, can he be the most valuable player ever? I pointed out that over and over in his career that his teams don't go to a new level because of him. If you can't see this, then you are simply ignoring facts.

There can only be one conclusion from all of this: If he is not the most valuable player ever, then Michael Jordan is NOT the greatest basketball player ever.

Jordan couldnt win without a op 50 player and All star Jordan's playoff record without Scottie Pippen is only 1-9.Its no doubt, Jordan had great players around him.

AlphaWolf wrote:

yeah if only Kareem had Craig ehlo on him.....you know Craig Right?......the defensive stopper

So your defense for Kareem is based off of one shot Jordan had?

KB24-Hustlin wrote:

Jordan couldnt win without a op 50 player and All star Jordan's playoff record without Scottie Pippen is only 1-9.Its no doubt, Jordan had great players around him.

Shaq is a top 10 player

and Pau Bynum and Odom combined are better than any one player could ever be

West Coast Bias wrote:

AlphaWolf wrote:

West Coast Bias wrote:

So Jordan was able to make a second round exit team a champion for 6 straight years. Sounds pretty impressive.

actually the Bull's did'nt start winning until Pippen came too.....and it was'nt 6 straight years...they 3 peated...then MJ retired...the next year they only dropped 2 games.....MJ came back and they Lost to the Magic(they did better the year before without MJ)...they add the best defender in Rodman and win 3 more!..MJ retires again, comes back a couple years later and leads the Wizards to 2 straight losing seasons.

the seasons he was there the whole season, they won 6 straight. And the 94-95 team had Pippen so.... what does Pippen not being there in 85 have anything to do with MJ making a 2nd round exit team a Champion once again.

so what happened in 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987 , 1988, 1989,1990,2002,2003....

are you trying to say MJ was Rusty.....that's why he did'nt win in 95'?.......he was'nt rusty...he dropped 55 in the garden...remember?

AlphaWolf wrote:

West Coast Bias wrote:

So Jordan was able to make a second round exit team a champion for 6 straight years. Sounds pretty impressive.

actually the Bull's did'nt start winning until Pippen came too.....and it was'nt 6 straight years...they 3 peated...then MJ retired...the next year they only dropped 2 games.....MJ came back and they Lost to the Magic(they did better the year before without MJ)...they add the best defender in Rodman and win 3 more!..MJ retires again, comes back a couple years later and leads the Wizards to 2 straight losing seasons.

When Jordan came back in 2001 to play for Washington he was 39-40 years old and was a top 3 MVP candidate through the All-Star break, averaging 25/6/5 (one of only two players in the league to do so) he had the Wizards on pace for 46 wins and in the 6th spot in the East (they won just 19 games the season prior). Then he hurt his knee and the rest is history ....



http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/sports/pro-basketball-inside-the-nba-jordan-lifts-wizards-and-his-mvp-bid.html

Alpha wolf.. your an idiot.

you think 1 player can do it by himself?

yes Jordan was great... but how can he win games by himself?

Was Magic able to win games by himself?

how about bird?

or Kobe?

or any great player?

you saying "Jordan had 3 straight losing season until he got help" is stupid.