Who is the best clutch shooter in the NBA's History?

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KB24 wrote:

What do you mean Lebron passes up more on game winners then Kobe? ughh proof says their tied in that category. http://82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

And what do you mean Kobe's fg% in the clutch is way lower then Lebron? Their's only a 3% difference. And if you look on the site, Lebron is in way more clutch situations then Kobe. 51 games to 39, 215 to 136 mins.

Assists aren't proof that Kobe passes it up more... players miss and make shots, the Cavs players miss game winners more often than the Lakers players do.

And when did i say WAY LOWER.
And The Cavs are in wa more come from behind situations than the Lakers. Way more. With the Lakers its either win by 5-10 or lose by 5-10.
With the Cavs (other than last yr) its win by 3-5 or lose by 3-5.

KB24 wrote:

when hes shooting everybody knows its gunna miss.

You FAIL. 100% FAIL. I take back borderline hater status. This statement is full on HATER.

This is as bad as my Kobe/Bynum thread SMH.

KB24 wrote:

Lebron averages more cuz he has wayyy more minutes and way more games in. duhh his production will be a bit higher. Lebron is not clutchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh k

That's average stats, man. Not totals. How exactly does more minutes make you shoot a better percentage or average more assists? You're being a hater right now. Not one person here thinks that LeBron is more dangerous than Kobe from the perimeter, but for you to say he isn't clutch, is just ludicrous. There are multiple reasons he goes to the lane, but he isn't terrible from the perimeter when he does shoot from there. Stop hating. You told me you didn't.

LOOk nobody but you guys think Lebron is clutch

even NBA GM's have Melo as mor clutch then Lebron k
http://www.nba.com/news/features/gmsurvey.misc/index.html

Wow! Three players! Great proof there, Abdi!

And wtf, when you were talking bout this i asked if the cavs had any award winners and you only told me about athleticism. lol.

umm 82games.com bases their stats on Production per 48 Minutes of Clutch Time. Duhh more minutes= more opportunities.

CBI, i told you he won like 6 categories lol

and Lebron doesnt even make that list so even if he did come up hes less then 3%

Please,LeBron's more clutch then Melo and Pierce.

Kb,but more opportunities less chances of shooting a higher FG%!

Yeah..I understand Lebron isn't a top tier clutch player in the league. I wouldn't expect him to make that list, but to say he isn't clutch is just dumb.

Not true Darko. (about Piere/Melo) lol.

Greg Oden-Get well!!!!!!! wrote:

Please,LeBron's more clutch then Melo and Pierce.

GM's> your opinion

why less FG%?

CBI wrote:

Yeah..I understand Lebron isn't a top tier clutch player in the league. I wouldn't expect him to make that list, but to say he isn't clutch is just dumb.

Not true Darko. (about Piere/Melo) lol.

ok fine, Lebron is 3.1% Clutch. Is that good enough? lol

Greg Oden-Get well!!!!!!! wrote:

Lozan is amazing =]] wrote:

Greg Oden-Get well!!!!!!! wrote:

CBI wrote:

That made no sense Darko. :/

It wasn't Kobe that lost them that series, lol.

Hm.... i guess you are right

Btw,the only reason why i dislike Kobe in the first place is because of that attuitide that he has.Like he thinks he's the only that can hit clutch shots.......

So..Im guessing you hate MJ too....

Lol,no

Mj mastered those shots,but he didn't always shot those jump shot.He could actually pass.Kobe is copy machine and doesn't know to pass...

You said you disliked Kobe because:
i dislike Kobe in the first place is because of that attuitide that he
has.Like he thinks he's the only that can hit clutch shots

MJ did the same thing....

KB24 wrote:

Greg Oden-Get well!!!!!!! wrote:

Please,LeBron's more clutch then Melo and Pierce.

GM's> your opinion

why less FG%?

I said when you have more shot oportunities you could have less Field Goal procent from someone that takes less shots.

Lozan is amazing =]] wrote:

Greg Oden-Get well!!!!!!! wrote:

Lozan is amazing =]] wrote:

Greg Oden-Get well!!!!!!! wrote:

CBI wrote:

That made no sense Darko. :/

It wasn't Kobe that lost them that series, lol.

Hm.... i guess you are right

Btw,the only reason why i dislike Kobe in the first place is because of that attuitide that he has.Like he thinks he's the only that can hit clutch shots.......

So..Im guessing you hate MJ too....

Lol,no

Mj mastered those shots,but he didn't always shot those jump shot.He could actually pass.Kobe is copy machine and doesn't know to pass...

You said you disliked Kobe because:
i dislike Kobe in the first place is because of that attuitide that he
has.Like he thinks he's the only that can hit clutch shots

MJ did the same thing....

Yeah but Mj add that to his arsenal of moves first!.I don't like Kobe because he thinks that guys around him cannot make clutch shots

Again, Abdi, those are opinions, and NONE of those GMs would tell you that LeBron isn't clutch. Just that they'd rather have those three guys, hell, from the perimeter, I'd rather have those three guys, but its an opinion, and guaranteed, that question was taken as who do you want taking a PERIMETER shot with the game on the line. The stats show that LeBron is as, if not more clutch than anyone in the league, no matter where his shots are coming from. Like I've said from the beginning, nobody here is asserting LeBron as the clutchest perimeter shooter, but as the clutchest shooter overall. That is entirely plausible, unlike your blanket claim that LeBron is in no way clutch. Me personally, I'd rather have a guy go the rim for a game winner than take a shot from the perimeter. According to 82games.com, Kobe shoots the ball at a 25% (1 of 4) clip with the game on the line. Considering a lot of the shots hes taken to get those makes, that is in no way not impressive. However, LeBron shoots 34% which is nearly a whole extra make every 10 shots. It doesn't matter that he's taking more of them in the lane. He's still making more of them, and if going to the lane was so damn easy to do in the final minutes or final possession, why doesn't Kobe do it more often.

Darko you don't make any sense. How would you know if someone with less FGA is going to automatically going to shoot a lower FG?

Greg Oden-Get well!!!!!!! wrote:

Lozan is amazing =]] wrote:

Greg Oden-Get well!!!!!!! wrote:

Lozan is amazing =]] wrote:

Greg Oden-Get well!!!!!!! wrote:

CBI wrote:

That made no sense Darko. :/

It wasn't Kobe that lost them that series, lol.

Hm.... i guess you are right

Btw,the only reason why i dislike Kobe in the first place is because of that attuitide that he has.Like he thinks he's the only that can hit clutch shots.......

So..Im guessing you hate MJ too....

Lol,no

Mj mastered those shots,but he didn't always shot those jump shot.He could actually pass.Kobe is copy machine and doesn't know to pass...

You said you disliked Kobe because:
i dislike Kobe in the first place is because of that attuitide that he
has.Like he thinks he's the only that can hit clutch shots

MJ did the same thing....

Yeah but Mj add that to his arsenal of moves first!.I don't like Kobe because he thinks that guys around him cannot make clutch shots

Yes...I'm pretty sure Robert Horry and Derek Fisher never got any chances to take clutch shots

Darko...if you're gonna hate on Kobe....atleast try to make sense...
Your credibility is going down by making no sense....

Darko, I love you.

...
I wanted to end the Darko no sense streak lol

Why do you assume the GM's were talking about PERIMETER shooting in that survey? so that you dont feel less bad about it?

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and if going to the lane was so damn easy to do in the final minutes or final possession, why doesn't Kobe do it more often.

Did you look at the stats? Kobe is averaging more FTA then Lebron even with less games and way less minutes.

Lozan is amazing =]] wrote:

Yes...I'm pretty sure Robert Horry and Derek Fisher never got any chances to take clutch shots

Darko...if you're gonna hate on Kobe....atleast try to make sense...
Your credibility is going down by making no sense....

statement agrees, YS, but question: Does Abdi make sense when he says LeBron isn't clutch?

No, I disagree with Abdi when he says Lebron isn't clutch...
But he seems to have gone back on that statement...

Lebron doesn't always have a that picture-esque buzzer-beating shots everytime.....
But he does make very clutch plays.....whether it be by passing or shooting...

Lebron appears "less" clutch because Kobe always drains the clock down to 3 or 2 secs.....and then puts the shot up..
While Lebron starts making his move with 5 or 6 secs left.....either hitting his shot well before the time expires or passing it to another teammate who then hits a buzzer beater...

But yeah..Lebron is pretty damn clutch...
I'll take him ahead of Wade easily...

thank you.

Look, stats say hes Clutch. All im saying is his Clutch% mostly comes from driving. Nothing against that, but i wouldn't call him a clutch shooter.

KB24 wrote:

Why do you assume the GM's were talking about PERIMETER shooting in that survey? so that you dont feel less bad about it?

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and if going to the lane was so damn easy to do in the final minutes or final possession, why doesn't Kobe do it more often.

Did you look at the stats? Kobe is averaging more FTA then Lebron even with less games and way less minutes.

For the question about the PERIMETER (sorry I originally put that in all caps now hahaha), the question asks about last second, as if there isn't time to do anything else but shoot (which is only one type of clutch situation). Thats why I assume, which sounds pretty logical to me. And no argument about them not saying he isn't clutch? :/

As for free throws:

this season, LeBron has 37.7 minutes and 9.2 free throw attempts per game, while Kobe is 36.8 and 7.1

proof

lebron also more game winning free throw attempts in the last 6 seasons:

proof

AND he averages more fta attempts per 48 minutes of clutch time:

proof

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