west finals duncan vs kobe!

This will be the hardest...imo...well

fist one to8 ..

tim duncan:4 time champ
3 finals mvp
1 0r 2 mvp

kobe bryant: 5time champ
2 finals mvp
1 time mvp



Talent + accomplishments ...BOTH
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WHOEVR GETS 8 FIRST WINS...NO ARGUING EVEN IF ITS 8-7 ...THAT LIKE THE C`S COMPLAING ABOUT 4-3 VS LAKERS....FIRST TO 8

Kobe Bean bryant....

more of a beast mode in his prime ave. 35 and in his best of everything gettin about 7 board and 6 assist...

one more ship...one less finals mvp but he has more of a chance of winning next year som im picking kobe!

how are we voting? Talent and accomplishments?

I'm not doing talent.. for the same reasons I listed in the KG/AI thread.

He didnt say compare them to eachother. He said judge their talent...who has more talent..its really easy.


KOBE is mi vote

Again if you're going to use the highest total from each category...

Duncan 26 PPG, 13 RPG, 3 BPG, 4 APG, and only twice in his career did he shoot below 50% (rounding, of course lol). He has never went below 10 rebounds in his career. He is the definition of fundamental and the definition of leadership. He has been a model teammate ever since he came into the league, unlike Kobe who cried and complained about everything, demanded trades, and talked trash about his teammates. Not until 2008 was Kobe a true leader and a great teammate. Duncan has less rings, but more Finals MVPs, showing that he was more valuable to his team when it mattered than Kobe. He has two MVPs and was Rookie of the Year. Tim Duncan has just been a better overall teammate and player has been throughout their careers. And you're picking Kobe because he has a higher chance of winning a championship NEXT year? So you're saying you're picking Kobe because the Lakers are better than the Spurs?

No. You're picking Kobe because you like him more.

Raza wrote:

Again if you're going to use the highest total from each category...

Duncan 26 PPG, 13 RPG, 3 BPG, 4 APG, and only twice in his career did he shoot below 50% (rounding, of course lol). He has never went below 10 rebounds in his career. He is the definition of fundamental and the definition of leadership. He has been a model teammate ever since he came into the league, unlike Kobe who cried and complained about everything, demanded trades, and talked trash about his teammates. Not until 2008 was Kobe a true leader and a great teammate. Duncan has less rings, but more Finals MVPs, showing that he was more valuable to his team when it mattered than Kobe. He has two MVPs and was Rookie of the Year. Tim Duncan has just been a better overall teammate and player has been throughout their careers. And you're picking Kobe because he has a higher chance of winning a championship NEXT year? So you're saying you're picking Kobe because the Lakers are better than the Spurs?

No. You're picking Kobe because you like him more.

im picking kobe..put it anyway you want it doesnt matter....i think kobe had the better career (alot would disagree)... so put it anyway you want

hammertime! wrote:

He didnt say compare them to eachother. He said judge their talent...who has more talent..its really easy.

If that's the case, why is Shaq still in the game? His "talent" of being 7'1 300 pounds?

how can you compare talent between a SG and a PF? they do different things.. it isn't fair.

Duncan is a better rebounder, shot blocker, he's better in the paint.... cuz he's a big guy.

Kobe is a better shooter, passer, overall scorer... cuz he's a G.

2-1 ....first to 8

Raza wrote:

hammertime! wrote:

He didnt say compare them to eachother. He said judge their talent...who has more talent..its really easy.

If that's the case, why is Shaq still in the game? His "talent" of being 7'1 300 pounds?

no scoring about 29 points while grabiing about 13 rebound is his talent!

Bear Down wrote:

how can you compare talent between a SG and a PF? they do different things.. it isn't fair.

Duncan is a better rebounder, shot blocker, he's better in the paint.... cuz he's a big guy.

Kobe is a better shooter, passer, overall scorer... cuz he's a G.

Its not comparing..its who has more of it...i think....well thats how i do it.

Bear Down wrote:

how can you compare talent between a SG and a PF? they do different things.. it isn't fair.

Duncan is a better rebounder, shot blocker, he's better in the paint.... cuz he's a big guy.

Kobe is a better shooter, passer, overall scorer... cuz he's a G.

it was just to rank the players...and just do your best

So I'm voting based on what they have accomplished.

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Tim Duncan: 4 Rings, 3 Finals MVP, 2 Season MVPs, 12 all-star selections, All-NBA 1st team 9 times, All-NBA defensive 1st time 9 times, and has never lost less than 50 games. Other than that one shortened season where they only played 50 games.

Kobe Bryant: 5 rings, 2 Final MVPs, 1 season MVP, 12 time All-star selection, 8 time All-NBA 1st team, 8 time 1st All-defensive team.

They both have a lot of records..

So really... it is pretty close... but I think I have to go with Duncan

john wrote:

no scoring about 29 points while grabiing about 13 rebound is his talent!

29 points for being bigger than the other guy
13 rebounds for being bigger than the other guy

With some post moves

Duncan.

Raza explained it pretty well too.

3-2 duncan is leading..

Raza wrote:

john wrote:

no scoring about 29 points while grabiing about 13 rebound is his talent!

29 points for being bigger than the other guy
13 rebounds for being bigger than the other guy

With some post moves

Goddamn..ur dumb as hell,son.

Yao ming is 7'6 330. He's never been as dominant as shaq...

hammertime! wrote:

Yao ming is 7'6 330. He's never been as dominant as shaq...

Yao has far more TALENT than Shaq, but if it was Shaq vs. Yao, nobody would hesitate picking Shaq

Raza wrote:

hammertime! wrote:

Yao ming is 7'6 330. He's never been as dominant as shaq...

Yao has far more TALENT than Shaq, but if it was Shaq vs. Yao, nobody would hesitate picking Shaq

No way. Talent translates onto the court....yao has a better skillset...more talent at playing basketbal!?? you gotta be shittin me...

hammertime! wrote:

No way. Talent translates onto the court....yao has a better skillset...more talent at playing basketbal!?? you gotta be shittin me...

Yao has the talent of having a great shot
Yao has the talent of great post moves
Yao has the talent of being an excellent free throw shooter

What talents does Shaq have?
The talent to be stronger than your opponent.
and have very strong elbows.

Raza wrote:

hammertime! wrote:

No way. Talent translates onto the court....yao has a better skillset...more talent at playing basketbal!?? you gotta be shittin me...

Yao has the talent of having a great shot
Yao has the talent of great post moves
Yao has the talent of being an excellent free throw shooter

What talents does Shaq have?
The talent to be stronger than your opponent.
and have very strong elbows.

shaq has the talent of being great at basketball. talent: –noun
1.
a special natural ability or aptitude




the stuff you named for yao is all skills.not talent...there a difference.

hammertime! wrote:

shaq has the talent of being great at basketball.

the stuff you named for yao is all skills.not talent...there a difference.

Ok, so Shaq has the talent of being stronger.

Since talent is a natural ability, Yao has the talent of being taller than his opponents, which translate into great performances by him.

Raza wrote:

hammertime! wrote:

shaq has the talent of being great at basketball.

the stuff you named for yao is all skills.not talent...there a difference.

Ok, so Shaq has the talent of being stronger.

Since talent is a natural ability, Yao has the talent of being taller than his opponents, which translate into great performances by him.

Shaq has the talent of being able to dominate a basketball game,period.

hammertime! wrote:

Shaq has the talent of being able to dominate a basketball game,period.

Well Yao has the talent to...USE CHOPSTICKS

You win