Allen Iverson =

Allen Iverson. During the last few years, the conflict with Raptors VC vs AI was huge. I really hated Allen, I thought he was a very selfish person that only cared about himself. I thought that until he got taken back by the Philadelphia 76ers. Iverson, seeing him cry, and in the press confrence, I realized AI has changed. I used to hate him so much because of his attitude towards himself. Allen Iverson has said that he knows it isn't his team anymore, it is Andre Igoudala's. And with that of me hearing my opinion changed on Iverson right away. He isn't a bad person. The signing of him coming back to Philly has changed his heart in my beliefs. He isn't trying to be a franchise here, he's trying to help his former team. Allen Iverson has my respect, and support.

He's had mine since I've known about him.

Rush wrote:

During the last few years, the conflict with Raptors VC vs AI was huge.

That didn't really make any sense.

Yea. The few years when it was AI vs VC in playoffs was huge for me, and continuing to watch basketball.

Allen Iverson = nothing more then a bench player at this point of his career

Maybe...

Rush wrote:

Maybe...

Hey! Don't change your mind so easily
Don't listen to the haters

AI=Awsome player

Greg Oden-Get well!!!!!!! wrote:

A.I=Awesome player

Agreed

Longhorns wrote:

Allen Iverson = nothing more then a bench player at this point of his career

Ouch.

AI = a guy who can carry a team to the 8th seed, but nowhere else

Allen iverson=still an allstar player,still a top 5 SG in the NBa a guy who averaged 27 ppg and 5 APG season before last.

Chris7 wrote:

Greg Oden-Get well!!!!!!! wrote:

A.I=Awesome player

Agreed

Yeah,he's Top 5 SG of All Time.In my book,Top 3 SGs ever skills whise

<W><C><B> wrote:

Longhorns wrote:

Allen Iverson = nothing more then a bench player at this point of his career

Ouch.

AI = a guy who can carry a team to the 8th seed, but nowhere else

well he def. didn't make a diff. for the Pistons last year. In fact, they played worse with him there. This was when he WAS starting with them. I remember when that trade was first made everyone thought that the Pistons got the better of that deal. Look how that turned out. And so far the 2 games he has played with the 76ers.... he hasn't looked that good.

Longhorns wrote:

<W><C><B> wrote:

Longhorns wrote:

Allen Iverson = nothing more then a bench player at this point of his career

Ouch.

AI = a guy who can carry a team to the 8th seed, but nowhere else

well he def. didn't make a diff. for the Pistons last year. In fact, they played worse with him there. This was when he WAS starting with them. I remember when that trade was first made everyone thought that the Pistons got the better of that deal. Look how that turned out. And so far the 2 games he has played with the 76ers.... he hasn't looked that good.

OMG just OMG
Many people forgot that the Pistons was 23-13 with Iverson and Rip Hamilton starting in the back court, an injury of Rip made Joe Dumars' fantasy to put Stuckey in the starting lineup true.

Chris7 wrote:

Longhorns wrote:

<W><C><B> wrote:

Longhorns wrote:

Allen Iverson = nothing more then a bench player at this point of his career

Ouch.

AI = a guy who can carry a team to the 8th seed, but nowhere else

well he def. didn't make a diff. for the Pistons last year. In fact, they played worse with him there. This was when he WAS starting with them. I remember when that trade was first made everyone thought that the Pistons got the better of that deal. Look how that turned out. And so far the 2 games he has played with the 76ers.... he hasn't looked that good.

OMG just OMG
Many people forgot that the Pistons was 23-13 with Iverson and Rip Hamilton starting in the back court, an injury of Rip made Joe Dumars' fantasy to put Stuckey in the starting lineup true.

moving to detroit from denver, AI started to shoot the ball more. [13.6 SPG to 14.7 SPG] yet, his PPG went down and his FG% went from 45% to 41% and his APG went down by 2. He fell off once he left denver.

Right now, if AI doesnt play with an amazing player like Melo, he looks very average. and even playing next to Iguodala and brand or w/e isn't helping.

wow...You never talked about individual performance or something, (do you even read what you writing) you clearly said they played worse and the fact that they was 23-13 proves they wasn't, they won cavs,celtics and many good teams unlike now.Imagine if Rip never was out with injury they could have easily be a top 5 seed but no they played worse.Lmao
Right now he is out of shape its clear, but wait the season is far from over.

Can you give me a link where it shows that they were 23-13 with Hamilton and AI? becasue i dont remember it like that... but I could be wrong.


and Hamilton still played 67 games last year.. its not like he missed 50 games.. so he and AI had a lot fo time to play together.

and if AI was still so great last year, why wasn't he able to lead the team when Hamilton went down? I mean... he did it with a Philly team a while back when they had NO ONE.

he is WAY past his prime and not starter material anymore imo

When Rip came back their coach used A.I at SG Rip SF and Stuckey PG how could he lead his team?how could they win games like this?they were miss matched every play.
Then Rip started Shooting a lot more and averaging many point but loosing and they had to bench A.I or Rip because they said Stuckey is a All-Star material and will never be benched again.

I Dont say he is still in his prime or he is kobe or even a franchise player but he aint bench player for sure.

About the link maybe i will come up later i might find one.

noo... when Rip came back, he went to the bench because AI refused to go to the bench. Rip just didn't complain about it. AI was benched for 4 games and said it affected his game. How the hell does coming off the bench make u play worse? basketball is basketball no matter when u get in the game.

Rip start shooting more? he only averaged 15.6 SPG last year. His career average is 15 SPG. how is that shooting a lot more?

and AI is averaging 11 PPG this year with a bad FG%.... how are those starter numbers?

To be honest with you guys, I think AI is one of the most overrated players in the NBA history. I'm not going to deny his talent, his heart, and hustle. He's one of the most talented players in the history of the game. It's his inability to put team before himself that really hurts his reputation. I know, I know, he took the 2000-2001 Sixers to the NBA Finals. Let's remember the Sixers had defensive-minded players in Lynch, Hill, Snow, Mutombo, Ratliff (before he was traded to the Hawks), McKie, and Bell. AI would hold on to the ball too long frequently and jack up tons of shots. I've seen him shoot 9-25, 9-27, 10-28, 10-30, 11-30, etc. often during that season. He was shooting around 42%.....not that great compared to other elite guards in the league during that time. AI basically could do whatever he wanted even tho he made a lot of mistakes (turnovers, missed shots, etc.) because Larry Brown knew that his defensive-minded players will stop other teams on the defensive end and rebound too. They were able to mask AI's ineffectiveness.

AI didn't really take the Nuggets that far even though they were the most talented team AI ever had in his entire career. Same goes with the Pistons. The bottom line is AI's stubborness and selfishness has prevented him from achieving greatness like Bird, Magic, Wilt, Shaq, Jordan, etc. Just imagine if he played within the team concept.....BOY, he would be one of the greatest players ever. He's a good example of great talent being wasted.

Longhorns wrote:

noo... when Rip came back, he went to the bench because AI refused to go to the bench. Rip just didn't complain about it. AI was benched for 4 games and said it affected his game. How the hell does coming off the bench make u play worse? basketball is basketball no matter when u get in the game.

Rip start shooting more? he only averaged 15.6 SPG last year. His career average is 15 SPG. how is that shooting a lot more?

and AI is averaging 11 PPG this year with a bad FG%.... how are those starter numbers?

Well, im not talking about the whole season just few games before A.I got benched Rip started shooting more.

Like i told you the season is far from over

well... u hears it from a Sixers fan [NBA historian] haha.

thats one big reason why i'm not a fan of AI. He is a very selfish player. Even now past his prime he still wants things his way. I will never say he is/was a bad player... because I would be lying. But he will never never and has never won a championship because of his attitude ond selfishness.

and like NBA historian pointed out, he shot A LOT sometimes. Thats obviously gonna make his stats look better. If you shoot the ball 30 times, you better end up with at leaat 30 points that game haha.

Chris7 wrote:

Longhorns wrote:

noo... when Rip came back, he went to the bench because AI refused to go to the bench. Rip just didn't complain about it. AI was benched for 4 games and said it affected his game. How the hell does coming off the bench make u play worse? basketball is basketball no matter when u get in the game.

Rip start shooting more? he only averaged 15.6 SPG last year. His career average is 15 SPG. how is that shooting a lot more?

and AI is averaging 11 PPG this year with a bad FG%.... how are those starter numbers?

Well, im not talking about the whole season just few games before A.I got benched Rip started shooting more.

Like i told you the season is far from over

if you ere a pistons fan last year... who would you want shooting the ball more. Rip or AI?

if u pick AI... you're just being biased. There would NO other reason to pick him.

look what i just found

http://www.nba.com/pistons/schedule/results_2008.html check the first 35games when A.I was playing with Rip

ok thanks.

ill look over it right now