Derrick Rose vs Rajon Rondo

They both play different roles in their teams, and their own individual style is better than the other. But who do you think is better?

I pick Rose.

-Lead his team two playoff appearances without any other all-star, while RR9 couldn't make the playoffs without 3 alleged Hall of Fame players.

-Already an all-star and Top 5 Point Guard in the NBA.

-DR1 is better than RR9 in every offensive statistic, while RR9 is better than DR1 in every defensive statistic. The upside for Rose here is that he's pressured to be the #1. offense, because if he's not, they loose, while Rondo could score 0 points, 11 assists, and 6 rebounds resulting in his team winning. What I'm trying to get here is that Derrick Rose does more with less.

Wtf, isn't this like the 3rd Rondo v.s Rose thread?

I would rather have Rose btw

lol, did you just sign here to hate on Rondo and praise Rose?

-Point one- LMFAO. Rose/Salmons/Deng/Noah/Miller/Thomas - Gooden/Gordon/Nocioni is exactly the same with Rondo/Allen/Green/West/Perkins/Jefferson. Nuff said..

-Point two- So is Rondo

-Point three- Passing is part of Offense so is offensive rebounding along with 13pts, 50FG PCT, great driving ability and killer crossover. While Rose on defense is..Let's not talk about it. Point is - Rondo lacks a shoot, Rose lacks a lot more.

Chris wrote:

lol, did you just sign here to hate on Rondo and praise Rose?

-Point one- LMFAO. Rose/Salmons/Deng/Noah/Miller/Thomas - Gooden/Gordon/Nocioni is exactly the same with Rondo/Allen/Green/West/Perkins/Jefferson. Nuff said..

-Point two- So is Rondo

-Point three- Passing is part of Offense so is offensive rebounding along with 13pts, 50FG PCT, great driving ability and killer crossover. While Rose on defense is..Let's not talk about it. Point is - Rondo lacks a shoot, Rose lacks a lot more.

1. Comparing the 2009 Bulls roster in the playoffs to the 2009 Celtics roster in the playoffs, is like comparing The Orlando Magics to the Los Angeles Lakers of '09. Of course the Celtics have better players.

2. Rajon Rondo has never led his team to the playoffs without all-stars on his team, FACT.

3. I agree passing is apart of offense, but who has Rose had in the last couple of years to create offense with? Compare Rose's offensive players to Rondo's. Rondo is only shooting 50% from the field, because he drives in the paint (No jump-shot) and is very selective of his shots. The point is Rondo lacks a jump-shot, while Rose lacks another all-star (Which he has in C. Boozer).

Derrick Rose wrote:

Chris wrote:

lol, did you just sign here to hate on Rondo and praise Rose?

-Point one- LMFAO. Rose/Salmons/Deng/Noah/Miller/Thomas - Gooden/Gordon/Nocioni is exactly the same with Rondo/Allen/Green/West/Perkins/Jefferson. Nuff said..

-Point two- So is Rondo

-Point three- Passing is part of Offense so is offensive rebounding along with 13pts, 50FG PCT, great driving ability and killer crossover. While Rose on defense is..Let's not talk about it. Point is - Rondo lacks a shoot, Rose lacks a lot more.

You're wrong. The Boston Celtics in '09 had 2 all-stars and a up-and-coming star in Rajon Rondo, while the Chicago Bulls had no all-stars.

Point two - Incorrect.

Point Three - You know which form of offense I mean. The ability to create offense WITHOUT passing to a hall of famer.

You said Rose led the Bulls to 2 straight playoffs appearances while Rondo didn't w/o the HOF's. How could he lead them with Pierce injured, Tony Allen and Gerald Green being starters? Rose had Gordon, Salmons, Deng, Noah, Miller, Thomas, Gooden, Nocioni at some points. What more can he ask for?

What's actually incorrect? You didn't even explain.

LOL, passing to a HOF or scrub is "creating shots for you team-mate". HOF or scrub team-mates Rondo is one of the best passers in the NBA.

Derrick Rose wrote:

Chris wrote:

lol, did you just sign here to hate on Rondo and praise Rose?

-Point one- LMFAO. Rose/Salmons/Deng/Noah/Miller/Thomas - Gooden/Gordon/Nocioni is exactly the same with Rondo/Allen/Green/West/Perkins/Jefferson. Nuff said..

-Point two- So is Rondo

-Point three- Passing is part of Offense so is offensive rebounding along with 13pts, 50FG PCT, great driving ability and killer crossover. While Rose on defense is..Let's not talk about it. Point is - Rondo lacks a shoot, Rose lacks a lot more.

1. Comparing the 2009 Bulls roster in the playoffs to the 2009 Celtics roster in the playoffs, is like comparing The Orlando Magics to the Los Angeles Lakers of '09. Of course the Celtics have better players.

2. Rajon Rondo has never led his team to the playoffs without all-stars on his team, FACT.

3. I agree passing is apart of offense, but who has Rose had in the last couple of years to create offense with? Compare Rose's offensive players to Rondo's. Rondo is only shooting 50% from the field, because he drives in the paint (No jump-shot) and is very selective of his shots. The point is Rondo lacks a jump-shot, while Rose lacks another all-star (Which he has in C. Boozer).

1. That's why Celtics beat the Bulls. I don't get you point We are talking about how Rose led this poor Bulls team to the Play-Offs twice while Rondo had 2 All-Stars in his team(T.Allen, GG) and didn't make it. Right?

2. It's called situation? Maybe? If Rose was in Rondo situation would you still shit talking? no. FACT.

3. Rose lacks Defense, Playmaking ability etc. You know how many score first PG's we've got in the league?

Chris wrote:

Derrick Rose wrote:

Chris wrote:

lol, did you just sign here to hate on Rondo and praise Rose?

-Point one- LMFAO. Rose/Salmons/Deng/Noah/Miller/Thomas - Gooden/Gordon/Nocioni is exactly the same with Rondo/Allen/Green/West/Perkins/Jefferson. Nuff said..

-Point two- So is Rondo

-Point three- Passing is part of Offense so is offensive rebounding along with 13pts, 50FG PCT, great driving ability and killer crossover. While Rose on defense is..Let's not talk about it. Point is - Rondo lacks a shoot, Rose lacks a lot more.

You're wrong. The Boston Celtics in '09 had 2 all-stars and a up-and-coming star in Rajon Rondo, while the Chicago Bulls had no all-stars.

Point two - Incorrect.

Point Three - You know which form of offense I mean. The ability to create offense WITHOUT passing to a hall of famer.

You said Rose led the Bulls to 2 straight playoffs appearances while Rondo didn't w/o the HOF's. How could he lead them with Pierce injured, Tony Allen and Gerald Green being starters? Rose had Gordon, Salmons, Deng, Noah, Miller, Thomas, Gooden, Nocioni at some points. What more can he ask for?

What's actually incorrect? You didn't even explain.

LOL, passing to a HOF or scrub is "creating shots for you team-mate". HOF or scrub team-mates Rondo is one of the best passers in the NBA.

Ironic, Pierce's "injury" aftermath enabled him to have a bigger impact on the game, than before his "injury". It's obvious during '08 Paul Pierce was the leader of the Boston Celtics. Rajon Rondo was only a role player then.

Ben Gordon - Spark off the bench, but no defense.
John Salmons - Good for the Bulls offense, but he wasn't a Pierce-type player.
Drew Gooden - Wasn't even relevant.
Joakim Noah - He was shut-down by Kendrick Perkins.
Luol Deng - Great from the perimeter, but once again can't compete with The Celtic's lineup.

What's incorrect, is that you're comparing a Rajon Rondo who's given open passing lanes, because people are more concerned with the Big 3 than his non-jump shooting self (no offense). This gave him more opportunities at offense.

If we were to switch the roles of Rose/Rondo back in '08/'09. Do you think Rondo would have led the Bulls further than Rose have? No. It's because they play different roles. Rondo is systematic and works for the Celtic's style of play (pass/defend). Rose is fit for the Bulls style of play (score/pass).

Derrick Rose is a franchise player.
Rajon Rondo is not.

That is the difference.

If we were to put Rajon Rondo on let's say the Minnesota Timberwolves current line-up. What would his stats be?

16/7/4

Trust me.

Derrick Rose.
Why?
Rondo can never be the number one scoring option on a team without a very good supporting cast. His offensive game is meh. He has no shot. Once the Big 3 retires, Rondo will probably be their number one scoring option. There will be no Ray Allen to open up the lanes. His offensive game really hurts his game overall. Rose is the number one option on the Bulls and has a target on his back each and every day. If Rose doesn't perform than Bulls probably don't win, yet he can still score effectively and eficiently. Rondo is obviously the better passer since Rose is a shoot first PG while Rondo is a pass first. Rose hasn't had a lot to work with but he has had a solid cast but nothing special. Rose has shown much more potential IMO.

Derrick rose is the better player imo...

20/7/3>13/10/4 imo..

and Derick rose is the leader.
while rajon isnt.

rondo is getting very overhyped after the last playoffs

Chris wrote:

Derrick Rose wrote:

Chris wrote:

lol, did you just sign here to hate on Rondo and praise Rose?

-Point one- LMFAO. Rose/Salmons/Deng/Noah/Miller/Thomas - Gooden/Gordon/Nocioni is exactly the same with Rondo/Allen/Green/West/Perkins/Jefferson. Nuff said..

-Point two- So is Rondo

-Point three- Passing is part of Offense so is offensive rebounding along with 13pts, 50FG PCT, great driving ability and killer crossover. While Rose on defense is..Let's not talk about it. Point is - Rondo lacks a shoot, Rose lacks a lot more.

1. Comparing the 2009 Bulls roster in the playoffs to the 2009 Celtics roster in the playoffs, is like comparing The Orlando Magics to the Los Angeles Lakers of '09. Of course the Celtics have better players.

2. Rajon Rondo has never led his team to the playoffs without all-stars on his team, FACT.

3. I agree passing is apart of offense, but who has Rose had in the last couple of years to create offense with? Compare Rose's offensive players to Rondo's. Rondo is only shooting 50% from the field, because he drives in the paint (No jump-shot) and is very selective of his shots. The point is Rondo lacks a jump-shot, while Rose lacks another all-star (Which he has in C. Boozer).

1. That's why Celtics beat the Bulls. I don't get you point We are talking about how Rose led this poor Bulls team to the Play-Offs twice while Rondo had 2 All-Stars in his team(T.Allen, GG) and didn't make it. Right?

2. It's called situation? Maybe? If Rose was in Rondo situation would you still shit talking? no. FACT.

3. Rose lacks Defense, Playmaking ability etc. You know how many score first PG's we've got in the league?

1. The only reason why the Boston Celtics won, was because of experience and better players.

3. Derrick Rose's defense is okay. His playmaking ability is underrated. Whenever he's been a playmaker, the team looses. It's obvious his APG will go up now that they have Boozer though.

I'd take Rondo.

He has a smarter game.

I don't care about who the teammates are because this is about style of play.

I'd rather have my point guard do the point guards job and not be the leading scorer.

Rose is more like a mini-Dwyane Wade. I really don't consider him a point guard even though his position and height regulate him to PG.

Rondo runs that offense like a point guard should. He needs to get a better jumper.... but he knows his strength and weaknesses.

Rose is the focal point of the offense. Yet he only scores 6 more points a game. Thats with Rondo being a poor FT shooter.

Rondo just has "it"... That winning factor. That hustle and will power. And until Rose's becomes the defender that Rondo is I'll stick with Rondo.

Rondo will put up 29pts 13ast and 18rebs in the playoffs... I still remember that game vividly.

Just like I remember Rose's 29, 9ast 11 reb game vs. Boston.

It's just the type of guard you want to run your team.

john wrote:

Derrick rose is the better player imo...

20/7/3>13/10/4 imo..

and Derick rose is the leader.
while rajon isnt.

rondo is getting very overhyped after the last playoffs

Thank you.

Rondo is systematic, and is only great because he fits the Celtics perfectly. Put him in a situation where they needed a #1. option, like Derrick Rose is with the Chicago Bulls, and I swear he'll begin to fade.

Derrick Rose basically summed up what I'm saying.

Rose is a franchise player.
If Rondo doesn't develop on offensive game I don't see him as a franchise player.

KD35 wrote:

Derrick Rose.
Why?
Rondo can never be the number one scoring option on a team without a very good supporting cast. His offensive game is meh. He has no shot. Once the Big 3 retires, Rondo will probably be their number one scoring option. There will be no Ray Allen to open up the lanes. His offensive game really hurts his game overall. Rose is the number one option on the Bulls and has a target on his back each and every day. If Rose doesn't perform than Bulls probably don't win, yet he can still score effectively and eficiently. Rondo is obviously the better passer since Rose is a shoot first PG while Rondo is a pass first. Rose hasn't had a lot to work with but he has had a solid cast but nothing special. Rose has shown much more potential IMO.

Thank you brother.

Rajon Rondo fan's argument is invalid. All they talk about is how Rondo has defense and can rebound better than Rose, and playmaking. If that's the case, Shane Battier is better than Kevin Durant. LMAO.

Nick C wrote:

I'd take Rondo.

He has a smarter game.

I don't care about who the teammates are because this is about style of play.

I'd rather have my point guard do the point guards job and not be the leading scorer.

Rose is more like a mini-Dwyane Wade. I really don't consider him a point guard even though his position and height regulate him to PG.

Rondo runs that offense like a point guard should. He needs to get a better jumper.... but he knows his strength and weaknesses.

Rose is the focal point of the offense. Yet he only scores 6 more points a game. Thats with Rondo being a poor FT shooter.

Rondo just has "it"... That winning factor. That hustle and will power. And until Rose's becomes the defender that Rondo is I'll stick with Rondo.

Rondo will put up 29pts 13ast and 18rebs in the playoffs... I still remember that game vividly.

Just like I remember Rose's 29, 9ast 11 reb game vs. Boston.

It's just the type of guard you want to run your team.

That is the point I was trying to make. Derrick Rose isn't dependent on having players that can score/create because he can do these things. While Rajon Rondo is dependent on scorers (Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett). In the game he had that triple-double, who was guarding him? Mo Williams..

KD35 wrote:

Derrick Rose basically summed up what I'm saying.

Rose is a franchise player.
If Rondo doesn't develop on offensive game I don't see him as a franchise player.

That's all I'm trying to say. Derrick Rose isn't dependent on other players to build up his accolades.

This is the argument Rondo fans try making for him.

-Rondo passes better.
-Rondo defends better.
-Rondo steals better.

If that's the case, Shane Battier is better than Kevin Durant.

LMAO!

Derrick Rose wrote:

Nick C wrote:

I'd take Rondo.

He has a smarter game.

I don't care about who the teammates are because this is about style of play.

I'd rather have my point guard do the point guards job and not be the leading scorer.

Rose is more like a mini-Dwyane Wade. I really don't consider him a point guard even though his position and height regulate him to PG.

Rondo runs that offense like a point guard should. He needs to get a better jumper.... but he knows his strength and weaknesses.

Rose is the focal point of the offense. Yet he only scores 6 more points a game. Thats with Rondo being a poor FT shooter.

Rondo just has "it"... That winning factor. That hustle and will power. And until Rose's becomes the defender that Rondo is I'll stick with Rondo.

Rondo will put up 29pts 13ast and 18rebs in the playoffs... I still remember that game vividly.

Just like I remember Rose's 29, 9ast 11 reb game vs. Boston.

It's just the type of guard you want to run your team.

That is the point I was trying to make. Derrick Rose isn't dependent on having players that can score/create because he can do these things. While Rajon Rondo is dependent on scorers (Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett). In the game he had that triple-double, who was guarding him? Mo Williams..

That doesn't even make sense.

W/O Ben Gordon, John Salmons and Noah breaking out in that Celtics series the Bulls would've been swept, just as much as if Rondo ran the Bulls w/o those players stepping up and hitting big shots.

At this point of his career Rondo would be putting up Jason Kidd numbers on a bad team. Scoring around 18 a game and 7 rebs and 8 to 9 ast a game.

Nick C wrote:

Derrick Rose wrote:

Nick C wrote:

I'd take Rondo.

He has a smarter game.

I don't care about who the teammates are because this is about style of play.

I'd rather have my point guard do the point guards job and not be the leading scorer.

Rose is more like a mini-Dwyane Wade. I really don't consider him a point guard even though his position and height regulate him to PG.

Rondo runs that offense like a point guard should. He needs to get a better jumper.... but he knows his strength and weaknesses.

Rose is the focal point of the offense. Yet he only scores 6 more points a game. Thats with Rondo being a poor FT shooter.

Rondo just has "it"... That winning factor. That hustle and will power. And until Rose's becomes the defender that Rondo is I'll stick with Rondo.

Rondo will put up 29pts 13ast and 18rebs in the playoffs... I still remember that game vividly.

Just like I remember Rose's 29, 9ast 11 reb game vs. Boston.

It's just the type of guard you want to run your team.

That is the point I was trying to make. Derrick Rose isn't dependent on having players that can score/create because he can do these things. While Rajon Rondo is dependent on scorers (Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett). In the game he had that triple-double, who was guarding him? Mo Williams..

That doesn't even make sense.

W/O Ben Gordon, John Salmons and Noah breaking out in that Celtics series the Bulls would've been swept, just as much as if Rondo ran the Bulls w/o those players stepping up and hitting big shots.

At this point of his career Rondo would be putting up Jason Kidd numbers on a bad team. Scoring around 28 a game and 7 rebs and 8 to 9 ast a game.

You're overrating Rajon Rondo's ability a bit too much. If Rajon Rondo was put on a team where he was pressured to be the #1. option offensively, I doubt he would put up anywhere near Jason Kid's statistics.

People are overrated Rondo's rebounding ability also.

How hyped compared to Rajon Rondo was Chris Paul in '08 rebounding-wise, when he averaged 5.5? Rondo never averaged 5.5 rebounds per game, and yet we compare him to a legend in J. Kidd?

Rondo would never score 28 a game no matter what team he is on. Some of the top scorers in the NBA don't average 28 PPG. He is too offensively inept to score that much efficiently. He would have a target on his back and it will only get mroe difficult for him to score.

Derrick Rose wrote:

Chris wrote:

Derrick Rose wrote:

Chris wrote:

lol, did you just sign here to hate on Rondo and praise Rose?

-Point one- LMFAO. Rose/Salmons/Deng/Noah/Miller/Thomas - Gooden/Gordon/Nocioni is exactly the same with Rondo/Allen/Green/West/Perkins/Jefferson. Nuff said..

-Point two- So is Rondo

-Point three- Passing is part of Offense so is offensive rebounding along with 13pts, 50FG PCT, great driving ability and killer crossover. While Rose on defense is..Let's not talk about it. Point is - Rondo lacks a shoot, Rose lacks a lot more.

You're wrong. The Boston Celtics in '09 had 2 all-stars and a up-and-coming star in Rajon Rondo, while the Chicago Bulls had no all-stars.

Point two - Incorrect.

Point Three - You know which form of offense I mean. The ability to create offense WITHOUT passing to a hall of famer.

You said Rose led the Bulls to 2 straight playoffs appearances while Rondo didn't w/o the HOF's. How could he lead them with Pierce injured, Tony Allen and Gerald Green being starters? Rose had Gordon, Salmons, Deng, Noah, Miller, Thomas, Gooden, Nocioni at some points. What more can he ask for?

What's actually incorrect? You didn't even explain.

LOL, passing to a HOF or scrub is "creating shots for you team-mate". HOF or scrub team-mates Rondo is one of the best passers in the NBA.

Ironic, Pierce's "injury" aftermath enabled him to have a bigger impact on the game, than before his "injury". It's obvious during '08 Paul Pierce was the leader of the Boston Celtics. Rajon Rondo was only a role player then.

Ben Gordon - Spark off the bench, but no defense.
John Salmons - Good for the Bulls offense, but he wasn't a Pierce-type player.
Drew Gooden - Wasn't even relevant.
Joakim Noah - He was shut-down by Kendrick Perkins.
Luol Deng - Great from the perimeter, but once again can't compete with The Celtic's lineup.

What's incorrect, is that you're comparing a Rajon Rondo who's given open passing lanes, because people are more concerned with the Big 3 than his non-jump shooting self (no offense). This gave him more opportunities at offense.

If we were to switch the roles of Rose/Rondo back in '08/'09. Do you think Rondo would have led the Bulls further than Rose have? No. It's because they play different roles. Rondo is systematic and works for the Celtic's style of play (pass/defend). Rose is fit for the Bulls style of play (score/pass).

Derrick Rose is a franchise player.
Rajon Rondo is not.

That is the difference.

If we were to put Rajon Rondo on let's say the Minnesota Timberwolves current line-up. What would his stats be?

16/7/4

Trust me.

I like how you made Bulls look like a bunch of bench players.

Anyways.

Your points are all like IF and Look and See. If my grandma had balls he would be grandpa.

What if you ever try to judge by skills? Rose is amazing scorer, but Rondo is not as bad as you make it look. And GTFO with him getting open lanes when you see Kobe guarding him 10 feet away, same for Lebron and Wade who all guarded him in the Play-Offs.

If you stop using if's and nonsense i might answer you again. Going by your logic i can make a case about Kobe being not more than a bench player if there wasn't Shaq, Horry, Fiher to save his ass, Gasol, Odom and BS. IT JUST DOESN't WORK LIKE THAT.

I can accept every argument but not just like yours.

KD35 wrote:

Rondo would never score 28 a game no matter what team he is on. Some of the top scorers in the NBA don't average 28 PPG. He is too offensively inept to score that much efficiently. He would have a target on his back and it will only get mroe difficult for him to score.

Yeah... I meant to put 18... not 28.

Derrick Rose wrote:

Nick C wrote:

Derrick Rose wrote:

Nick C wrote:

I'd take Rondo.

He has a smarter game.

I don't care about who the teammates are because this is about style of play.

I'd rather have my point guard do the point guards job and not be the leading scorer.

Rose is more like a mini-Dwyane Wade. I really don't consider him a point guard even though his position and height regulate him to PG.

Rondo runs that offense like a point guard should. He needs to get a better jumper.... but he knows his strength and weaknesses.

Rose is the focal point of the offense. Yet he only scores 6 more points a game. Thats with Rondo being a poor FT shooter.

Rondo just has "it"... That winning factor. That hustle and will power. And until Rose's becomes the defender that Rondo is I'll stick with Rondo.

Rondo will put up 29pts 13ast and 18rebs in the playoffs... I still remember that game vividly.

Just like I remember Rose's 29, 9ast 11 reb game vs. Boston.

It's just the type of guard you want to run your team.

That is the point I was trying to make. Derrick Rose isn't dependent on having players that can score/create because he can do these things. While Rajon Rondo is dependent on scorers (Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett). In the game he had that triple-double, who was guarding him? Mo Williams..

That doesn't even make sense.

W/O Ben Gordon, John Salmons and Noah breaking out in that Celtics series the Bulls would've been swept, just as much as if Rondo ran the Bulls w/o those players stepping up and hitting big shots.

At this point of his career Rondo would be putting up Jason Kidd numbers on a bad team. Scoring around 28 a game and 7 rebs and 8 to 9 ast a game.

You're overrating Rajon Rondo's ability a bit too much. If Rajon Rondo was put on a team where he was pressured to be the #1. option offensively, I doubt he would put up anywhere near Jason Kid's statistics.

People are overrated Rondo's rebounding ability also.

How hyped compared to Rajon Rondo was Chris Paul in '08 rebounding-wise, when he averaged 5.5? Rondo never averaged 5.5 rebounds per game, and yet we compare him to a legend in J. Kidd?

No I'm not... like I said I meant to put 18 not 28pts.

Rondo didn't avg 5.5 you're right... he avg 5.2 before tho. And in the playoffs when it counts most he's avg 5.6 and 9.7rebs.

KD35 wrote:

Rondo would never score 28 a game no matter what team he is on. Some of the top scorers in the NBA don't average 28 PPG. He is too offensively inept to score that much efficiently. He would have a target on his back and it will only get mroe difficult for him to score.

That's not even Rondo's game. He will never average 28 a game.

Honestly, it depends on what type of system your playing in. Rose has all the makings of a good defender but well...he isn't. Who says he doesn't improve his defense and Rondo doesn't improve his offense?

I would pick Rose if I played in a fast,athletic team. Rose is a soon to be franchise player(even though I saw absolutely no improvement in his 3-point shot over FIBA). Rondi is the typical point guard. The guy who sets up plays and plays good defense but he can't shoot. Rose is a score first pint guard. His current Bulls teammates won't let him get mroe assists than 7.