Is Phoenix just a pipeline for Cleveland?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4910377

What could the Cavs give the Suns, though?

No Amare.


I'd rather have JJ than Amare. At least teams pay no attention to JJ so he gets a shitload of easy jams.
Plus he tries hearder.

Amare nah...it doesnt seem like he'd work in the cavs offense.

picks, hickson, and Z's expiring?

Yea basically

I think the only guys we could give up are Big Z and JJ cause they have expring contracts and PHX will save.....a couple mill or something like that

I still think its kinda dumb to trade expiring contracts for expring contracts

If Amare becomes a Cav, I'd put money on the Cavs for the Championship

Mo
Parker
LeBron
Amare
Shaq

West
Varejao
Moon
Gibson

I dont see how it works though.
Can Amare work well w/ LeBron or a slower offense like the cavs?

Im not really sure how Amare will fit in though cause his chem with Shaq is questionable.

But lebron will give him a hell of looks like nash gives him and amare is a better finisher than our other two forwards.

Amare has shown that he can't work with Shaq in the paint with him...
Why will it change with the Cavs?

Doesn't make sense.

Antwan Jamison or Troy Murphy make more sense.
They play more at the perimeter.

And the Cavs play defense. Amare does not.
If this deal goes through...their chances of winning it all decreases IMO

YS wrote:

Amare has shown that he can't work with Shaq in the paint with him...
Why will it change with the Cavs?

Doesn't make sense.

Antwan Jamison or Troy Murphy make more sense.
They play more at the perimeter.

And the Cavs play defense. Amare does not.
If this deal goes through...their chances of winning it all decreases IMO

Much different offense. You can't play two big men that play inside in a running offense, that's why it didn't work.

The Cav's offense runs on occasion, and Shaq won't be in the game when they are running (even if he is, he'll be cherry-picking on defense, lol).

As for defense, he's a more imposing shotblocker/ball stealer than JJ, won't really hurt the D. And the fact is Amare's entire team doesn't play defense in Phoenix. How can you expect him to try? When they were a better team he actually did play D, and could easily return to doing it on a better defensive team.

YS wrote:

Amare has shown that he can't work with Shaq in the paint with him...
Why will it change with the Cavs?

Doesn't make sense.

Antwan Jamison or Troy Murphy make more sense.
They play more at the perimeter.

And the Cavs play defense. Amare does not.
If this deal goes through...their chances of winning it all decreases IMO

What YS said.

And Plus, Lebron wont be able to drive anymore lol, Shaq, Amare, clogging up the paint?

кß24 wrote:

What YS said.

And Plus, Lebron wont be able to drive anymore lol, Shaq, Amare, clogging up the paint?

umm, they've got Hickson (just as big as amare w/ 0 outside shot) and Shaq and Z and Varejao right now, how will they clog up the paint anymore? and amare preferes to play midrange and then cut to the basket for alley-oops and dunks. he doesn't sit in the paint.

☆®¥ån☆ wrote:

YS wrote:

Amare has shown that he can't work with Shaq in the paint with him...
Why will it change with the Cavs?

Doesn't make sense.

Antwan Jamison or Troy Murphy make more sense.
They play more at the perimeter.

And the Cavs play defense. Amare does not.
If this deal goes through...their chances of winning it all decreases IMO

Much different offense. You can't play two big men that play inside in a running offense, that's why it didn't work.

The Cav's offense runs on occasion, and Shaq won't be in the game when they are running (even if he is, he'll be cherry-picking on defense, lol).

As for defense, he's a more imposing shotblocker/ball stealer than JJ, won't really hurt the D. And the fact is Amare's entire team doesn't play defense in Phoenix. How can you expect him to try? When they were a better team he actually did play D, and could easily return to doing it on a better defensive team.

You're guessing/speculating when you say that Amare would try in Cleveland...
idk see why the Cavs would gamble on that...and in the process give up a promising rookie in Hickson...

Besides..JJ Hickson (like CBI said) feeds off loose balls....and doesn't require the ball all the time..
While Amare requires the ball to be effective..

And without Shaq in the lineup....who is gonna guard the paint?
Amare? No thanks.
Varejoa? he's pretty good but c'mon....defend the entire paint. Doubt its possible for him

YS wrote:

Antwan Jamison or Troy Murphy make more sense.
They play more at the perimeter.

I agree; I think the Cavs should try to land Antawn, not Amare...bet the Wiz would love Hickson, Z's contract and a 1st round pick. Especially if their trade to the Mavs goes through.

Z lives outside the Paint, and Hickson stays out of Lebrons way. Shaq is the only dude who's in the Paint, Varejao is too busy roaming around.

If they get Amare he's going to sit at the low post or top of the key, and Lebron does most of his work at the top of the key.

Jamison is a better fit than Amare but im not willing to give up Hickson for him. Plus his contract suks

Amare isnt a great fit but does have potential cause he is a good pick and roll player and he will basically get the same shots hickson does and he is a much better finisher.

Both suk at defense

:/

I think now we can have somebody to trade for Jamison. That is if Amare comes.... and actually he is a better scorer than JJ.

I just don't want Z to leave though.

YS wrote:

☆®¥ån☆ wrote:

YS wrote:

Amare has shown that he can't work with Shaq in the paint with him...
Why will it change with the Cavs?

Doesn't make sense.

Antwan Jamison or Troy Murphy make more sense.
They play more at the perimeter.

And the Cavs play defense. Amare does not.
If this deal goes through...their chances of winning it all decreases IMO

Much different offense. You can't play two big men that play inside in a running offense, that's why it didn't work.

The Cav's offense runs on occasion, and Shaq won't be in the game when they are running (even if he is, he'll be cherry-picking on defense, lol).

As for defense, he's a more imposing shotblocker/ball stealer than JJ, won't really hurt the D. And the fact is Amare's entire team doesn't play defense in Phoenix. How can you expect him to try? When they were a better team he actually did play D, and could easily return to doing it on a better defensive team.

You're guessing/speculating when you say that Amare would try in Cleveland...
idk see why the Cavs would gamble on that...and in the process give up a promising rookie in Hickson...

Besides..JJ Hickson (like CBI said) feeds off loose balls....and doesn't require the ball all the time..
While Amare requires the ball to be effective..

And without Shaq in the lineup....who is gonna guard the paint?
Amare? No thanks.
Varejoa? he's pretty good but c'mon....defend the entire paint. Doubt its possible for him

Varejao is actually a very good defender...and aren't you also speculating when you say it would remain the same on an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT team? All you can do is speculate. And there is evidence of Amare playing defense in the past, when the Suns were a top contender. It's not like he's never played good defense.

Lol @ Amare just sitting at the top of the key. All Amare does is pick and roll at the top of the key and wait for an opportunity at the midrange area of the wing. He doesn't sit in the post or at the top of the key, EVER. He gets his dunks and easy baskets from cutting to the lane after a pick or backdoor from the wing. LeBron doesn't really have a quick athlete that draws attention away from him. Amare would be able to this and a pick and roll between these two would be deadly.

I actually think Amare would be a good trade in a 3 way deal. If the cavs can really get him, they can get antawn jamison immediately by shipping him to the wizards... I think all the wizards are asking is a good playr for jamison.

I don't want Amare to stay in cleveland. I don't think he plays good in the playoffs.

That will be good move

If they can just teach him how to play good defense they have them selves then the best PF in the game who's extremly great and efficent finisher around the rim and from mid range

I've heard Danny Green might get involved in some of the trades.

I really want the Suns to trade Amare because that means they're goin g to go into more of a rebuilding mode, which means they will probably win less games, which means their draft pick that the Thunder have gets better.....