Is this your best PF of All-Time?

2002-2003

1st Championship for Spurs w/o Robinson, Duncan is clearly playing at PF more, but 34% at C? Questionable. Also it seems like the Spurs are playing better when Duncan is playing at C.

2004-2004

Timmy is still trying to figure out his position w/o Robinson, from 11% the difference now is 9%. And he really dominates there. Better off rating, d rating, net pts, win pct and everything.

2004-2005

2nd Championship for Spurs and guess what??He played at C more even though the difference is small. Stats look better at PF but in less time.

2005-2006

The only season Duncan is clearly playing at PF more, but he still plays at C alot. Not to Mention a stacked C position with Nazr, Rasho and Sean.

2006-2007

The year that Spurs won the 3rd w/o Robinson and Duncan is clearly playing at C, coincidence? I don't think so. 30% Difference, actually he clearly dominated there with a 71% win pct. nuff said.

2007-2008

PF?No fucking way. Spurs maybe didn't have many Centers but they never looked for one. It's clear that they always considered Duncan as their true Center.

2008-2009

Same story here, if Duncan was really a true PF they would've looked for a true C, no brainer.

2009-2010

huh?0%?Now that's what is. Even if they had few true C's it's weird. McDyess, Duncan and Ratliff.
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So a player that has played half of his career C and actually more total minutes at C than PF is the best PF of All-Time.
Not to Mention that at C he does everything better and there is where he actually does his thing.

Let the FLAME begin!

Where is Duncan listed at in every All-NBA team?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/all_league.html

Nick C wrote:

Where is Duncan listed at in every All-NBA team?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/all_league.html

Yeah right so Dirk is a C, Stouda C, T-Mac F,Pierce G and i didn't even check much.

What are you talking about? Dirk is listed as a F not once as a C. T-Mac is a swing man so he played SF and G and Piece isn't even listed as a G, but again as a swingman he has played SG before.

And yes Amar'e is listed as a C because Marion played PF for Phoenix... Really only when Shaq showed up and with Robin Lopez did Amar'e not play center for Phoenix.

The point I'm making is that what you're indicating isn't unknown.

Everyone knows that Duncan is a PF/C... and that he plays a lot of center on defense and usually PF on offense.

But he is listed as a PF on every All-Star ballot and on every All-NBA team. You also didn't include his first five years in the league in which he played PF to Robinson' playing at center.

So in the books... even with many authors saying "he's more of a center" he will go down in the NBA history books as a PF.

Duncan only plays center when the Spurs need him to. He usually defends the other team's tallest player which would usually be the center.

Nick C wrote:

Everyone knows that Duncan is a PF/C... and that he plays a lot of center on defense and usually PF on offense.

But he is listed as a PF on every All-Star ballot and on every All-NBA team. You also didn't include his first five years in the league in which he played PF to Robinson' playing at center.

So in the books... even with many authors saying "he's more of a center" he will go down in the NBA history books as a PF.

^^^

Oh and Garnett isn't the best PF in NBA history, because I'm 99% sure that's the only reason you're making this thread.

Nick C wrote:

What are you talking about? Dirk is listed as a F not once as a C. T-Mac is a swing man so he played SF and G and Piece isn't even listed as a G, but again as a swingman he has played SG before.

And yes Amar'e is listed as a C because Marion played PF for Phoenix... Really only when Shaq showed up and with Robin Lopez did Amar'e not play center for Phoenix.

The point I'm making is that what you're indicating isn't unknown.

Everyone knows that Duncan is a PF/C... and that he plays a lot of center on defense and usually PF on offense.

But he is listed as a PF on every All-Star ballot and on every All-NBA team. You also didn't include his first five years in the league in which he played PF to Robinson' playing at center.

So in the books... even with many authors saying "he's more of a center" he will go down in the NBA history books as a PF.

+1

Raza wrote:

Nick C wrote:

Everyone knows that Duncan is a PF/C... and that he plays a lot of center on defense and usually PF on offense.

But he is listed as a PF on every All-Star ballot and on every All-NBA team. You also didn't include his first five years in the league in which he played PF to Robinson' playing at center.

So in the books... even with many authors saying "he's more of a center" he will go down in the NBA history books as a PF.

^^^

Oh and Garnett isn't the best PF in NBA history, because I'm 99% sure that's the only reason you're making this thread.

Haha, yeah, this is definitely a thread made about Garnett. Let me tell you something, Chris. It could be argued that Garnett, player wise, is the better player. He has a better jumpshot, he's a better passer, in his prime was a better rebounder. But no way in hell is he a better winner than Duncan is. Not many people are. Garnett didn't even get to the Finals until his washed up ass came to Boston. Duncan had won 4 titles before that. Sure Garnett didn't have the teammates Duncan did, but Garnett had Sam Cassell in his prime, Stephon Marbury in his prime, etc. I'll tell ya, some of Garnett's teams were actually talented enough to go far in the playoffs. They didn't.

And it's funny, because you bring up how Duncan has played more Center. From those charts you showed, it was really only 3 or 4 seasons that he's played significantly more minutes at C than PF, and that's because San Antonio doesn't have anyone who can play C besides him. McDyess is washed up. Blair is still young. But as Nick said, Duncan plays like a PF on offense and like a C on defense. When Duncan retires, you could ask any current NBA coach and they'll say Tim Duncan is the prototypical PF. He does everything right, and the thing is, he's done it for so long. Duncan's still putting up numbers that he was in his rookie year. And when it comes down to who was the better player at the end of their careers, I think the fair assessment would be that Garnett was the better player statistically, but Duncan is the better winner, better teammate, and overall, the man who represents the Power Forward position the most.

/end rant

It's because Duncan is the most fundamentally perfect (idk what other word to use) player in the NBA. The moves he is doing now are the same moves he was doing 10 years ago. He sticks to what he should do. He has the post moves, he has (well had) the defense, he has the bank shot, he has the timing for rebounds. Garnett relied on his athleticism a lot more than Duncan when they were young, and that is why Duncan still puts up great performances. Duncan just hit his career low in PPG with 18. Garnett just averaged 14 last year, 16 before that, and 17 in his second year in the league (played enough minutes to get those numbers). It's because back then, Garnett was using his young athletic body to do a lot for him. Duncan just does what the textbook big man should do, and that is why he is still putting up those numbers, while K.G. is slipping.

Oh, and Duncan is a PF yadda yadda yadda

You mean fundamentally sound?

Thanks
Duncan is the most fundamentally sound player :cherry:

Duncan can pretty much play center just as good as PF cause of his size.....that being said I still dont get ur point. If the man can play 2 positions extremely effectively doesnt that give him an even better reason to be a better player than another certain player who is even taller than him, cant play center as affectively and wears number 5 for boston

Guys are u fucking kidding me?
I make a thread and someone will probably say i do it to praise a X player.

You obviously are pretty obsessed with KG. You cant act all offended, you brought it upon yourself bud.

No Longer DEAD wrote:

Raza wrote:

Nick C wrote:

Everyone knows that Duncan is a PF/C... and that he plays a lot of center on defense and usually PF on offense.

But he is listed as a PF on every All-Star ballot and on every All-NBA team. You also didn't include his first five years in the league in which he played PF to Robinson' playing at center.

So in the books... even with many authors saying "he's more of a center" he will go down in the NBA history books as a PF.

^^^

Oh and Garnett isn't the best PF in NBA history, because I'm 99% sure that's the only reason you're making this thread.

Haha, yeah, this is definitely a thread made about Garnett. Let me tell you something, Chris. It could be argued that Garnett, player wise, is the better player. He has a better jumpshot, he's a better passer, in his prime was a better rebounder. But no way in hell is he a better winner than Duncan is. Not many people are. Garnett didn't even get to the Finals until his washed up ass came to Boston. Duncan had won 4 titles before that. Sure Garnett didn't have the teammates Duncan did, but Garnett had Sam Cassell in his prime, Stephon Marbury in his prime, etc. I'll tell ya, some of Garnett's teams were actually talented enough to go far in the playoffs. They didn't.

And it's funny, because you bring up how Duncan has played more Center. From those charts you showed, it was really only 3 or 4 seasons that he's played significantly more minutes at C than PF, and that's because San Antonio doesn't have anyone who can play C besides him. McDyess is washed up. Blair is still young. But as Nick said, Duncan plays like a PF on offense and like a C on defense. When Duncan retires, you could ask any current NBA coach and they'll say Tim Duncan is the prototypical PF. He does everything right, and the thing is, he's done it for so long. Duncan's still putting up numbers that he was in his rookie year. And when it comes down to who was the better player at the end of their careers, I think the fair assessment would be that Garnett was the better player statistically, but Duncan is the better winner, better teammate, and overall, the man who represents the Power Forward position the most.

/end rant

u serius?
The 1st paragraph wasn't necessary thanks.

cbi wrote:

You obviously are pretty obsessed with KG. You cant act all offended, you brought it upon yourself bud.

lol, did i say something about KG here?Im debating something that is probably debated at every forum, or just because it's me it's supposed to be for KG or Rondo?
And yes, i saw that thread on another forum.

When its you, it usually is because of KG or Rondo. Sorry to say it :/

Chris wrote:

Guys are u fucking kidding me?
I make a thread and someone will probably say i do it to praise a X player.

Actually I didn't. I was just arguing your idea that Duncan is a center and not a power forward.

But you do have some major KG man love. Don't take it personal. I do the same thing about Magic Johnson... it's why I'm HIV positive.

But people will come to their own conclusions because of previous conversations.

I lold

No Longer DEAD wrote:

But no way in hell is he a better winner than Duncan is. Not many people are. Garnett didn't even get to the Finals until his washed up ass came to Boston. Duncan had won 4 titles before that. Sure Garnett didn't have the teammates Duncan did, but Garnett had Sam Cassell in his prime, Stephon Marbury in his prime, etc. I'll tell ya, some of Garnett's teams were actually talented enough to go far in the playoffs. They didn't.

i don't think it's fair to compare KG and Duncan when it comes to winning. Yeah, that's a factor.. but c'mon..

KG played in Minny for crying out loud... one of the shittiest Franchises out there. The best coach he played for is really overrated [flip saunders] imo.. Sam cassell played in MIN for 2 years.. 1 of those years they made it to the WCF. The only other decent player on that team was Sprewell. Marbury was there for a couple of years then bailed.

Duncan has been coached by one of the best coaches ever and has played with some amazing players for more than 3 years.

Nick C wrote:

Chris wrote:

Guys are u fucking kidding me?
I make a thread and someone will probably say i do it to praise a X player.

Actually I didn't. I was just arguing your idea that Duncan is a center and not a power forward.

But you do have some major KG man love. Don't take it personal. I do the same thing about Magic Johnson... it's why I'm HIV positive.

But people will come to their own conclusions because of previous conversations.

Yup i know u argued. Everyone else was too bussy figuring out why i'm making a thread about Duncan.

I really like KG from his t-wolves days when i didn't knew much about NBA.

Just lol.

cbi wrote:

When its you, it usually is because of KG or Rondo. Sorry to say it :/

I guess i'm not making any new threads then..Not like it will hurt u or smth..

Tim Duncan is the greatest Power Forward in the NBA History.He's also fundamentally most sound player and most consistent player of all time

Chris wrote:

Nick C wrote:

Chris wrote:

Guys are u fucking kidding me?
I make a thread and someone will probably say i do it to praise a X player.

Actually I didn't. I was just arguing your idea that Duncan is a center and not a power forward.

But you do have some major KG man love. Don't take it personal. I do the same thing about Magic Johnson... it's why I'm HIV positive.

But people will come to their own conclusions because of previous conversations.

Yup i know u argued. Everyone else was too bussy figuring out why i'm making a thread about Duncan.

I really like KG from his t-wolves days when i didn't knew much about NBA.

Just lol.

hey look at it this way...
back in kgs prime he was one of the most exciting players in the nba, like the lebron james of 2004 on a shit team in a small market yeah you can argue he had Sam Cassell, Latrell Sprewell and Stephon Marbury, but all those players left after like 2 years he never had a consisten team look at the Spurs... Parker, Ginobli and Duncan have stayed together like glue for the past 5+ years... Spurs singlehandedly killed the NBA with making the finals and making them the most boring-est finals (if thats a word)...

The sweep against Cleveland is the lowest nba finals tv ratings of all time
and if the knicks werent in the 99' finals that would of been worst

Chris didn't make this thread for KG. NOTHING relates to KG in his first post other than "PF". I make a thread about discrediting Yao or Bynum, because I want to show Howard is the best C?

You guys are making it seem like nobody can discredit anyone who plays the same position are your fave player.


And just saying, Duncan is better than KG, but KG's still close.

Better defense, no doubt.
Offensively, Garnett had a better jumper and similar post moves in his prime.
Duncan is a better rebounder tho.
As a teammate KG REFUSED to leave Minnesota until he made sure EVERYONE who is close to the Timberwolves knew he wasn't bailing out. Idt anyone else has done that. And yeah, TD has never left SA but he doesn't love his team as much as KG does. Nobody does. lol.
Duncan plays smarter, too.

Idk, Duncan's better, but it can still be argued.