Top 32 NBA Centers

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Key rankings/Surprises:
Dwight Howard: 1
Marc Gasol: 9 (after Dwayne tried to convince us all he's top 3)
Greg Oden: 11
Nene: 8
Joakim Noah: 7
Al Horford: 4
Andrew Bogut: 2
Shaquille O'Neal: 18
Anderson Varejao: 16
Erick Dampier: Somehow on the list

Just like bacteria hates low-fat milk.

efficiency might go up CBI, but not total stats.

Lopez does have some range, I'd sorta forgotten about that. Even with that accounted for, I'd still take Bynum. You don't really want your centers outside anyway. Lopez doesn't take enough shots out there at a good enough percentage for it to be a huge factor.

But you were just talking about how Bynums shooting and efficiancy and stuff is better.

i dont really no if that post applies to the debate. i just needed to say something.

He is. 7% in shooting percentage is a HUGE difference. That shows he is taking and making better shots inside. It does go both ways as far as seeing better defenses, but I value production on a great team FAR more than production on a terrible team, and that production is close. Lopez even plays 7 more minutes per game than Bynum.

Dub C wrote:

He is. 7% in shooting percentage is a HUGE difference. That shows he is taking and making better shots inside. It does go both ways as far as seeing better defenses, but I value production on a great team FAR more than production on a terrible team, and that production is close. Lopez even plays 7 more minutes per game than Bynum.

Well like you've said, Bynum has plenty of other capable teammates, while Lopez is the focus of the offense. Like, when you play the Lakers, you have so much focus on stopping Kobe, then some more on Gasol. Bynum isn't targeted by defenses very much, but when you play New Jersey, you're most focused on stopping Lopez with doubles and all that. Devin Harris isn't worthy of a double team...

Bynums job on O is sooooo much easier than Lopez. It really isn't a surprise that Bynums FG% is higher than Lopez. Also, because lopez takes outside shots, his FG% should be lower.

as for rebounding, when teams are trying to box the lakers out, they need to worry about Bynum and Gasol. Since Gasol is the better rebounder, they try harder to box him out. With the Nets, teams try to box Lopez out first because he's their best rebounder. He played 30 games without Yi, meaning there was 30 games where he was the best rebounder by far for the Nets. Yi isn't even that great of a rebounder. Teams wouldn't mind having two guys box out Lopez. u can't do that with the lakers. Also, Bynum and Lopez hae a similar Offesive rebounding percentage... yet Lopez is away from the rim on O sometimes cuz he can play from 10-15 out.

Yes, but Bynum has showed that he can put up numbers equal to Lopez's even when the Lakers were still winning. He did it pre-Gasol in '08 and with Gasol injured in '10. Lopez hasn't showed that he can be so effective as a number 2 and 3 and sometimes 4 option. You don't know what Lopez is capable on a good team? Can he still be effective with less touches? We know Bynum can. Lopez is more important to the Nets than Bynum is to the Lakers, but the Nets are shitty team, so that value doesn't really translate. It definitely doesn't mean he's a better player.

Dub C wrote:

Yes, but Bynum has showed that he can put up numbers equal to Lopez's even when the Lakers were still winning. He did it pre-Gasol in '08 and with Gasol injured in '10. Lopez hasn't showed that he can be so effective as a number 2 and 3 and sometimes 4 option. You don't know what Lopez is capable on a good team? Can he still be effective with less touches? We know Bynum can. Lopez is more important to the Nets than Bynum is to the Lakers, but the Nets are shitty team, so that value doesn't really translate. It definitely doesn't mean he's a better player.

Well to compare the NBA Champion Lakers to one of the worst recorded teams in NBA history to compare the two just isn't fair...

So are you saying Bynum's total numbers would go down if he was on a shitty team? o.O

Raza wrote:

Dub C wrote:

Yes, but Bynum has showed that he can put up numbers equal to Lopez's even when the Lakers were still winning. He did it pre-Gasol in '08 and with Gasol injured in '10. Lopez hasn't showed that he can be so effective as a number 2 and 3 and sometimes 4 option. You don't know what Lopez is capable on a good team? Can he still be effective with less touches? We know Bynum can. Lopez is more important to the Nets than Bynum is to the Lakers, but the Nets are shitty team, so that value doesn't really translate. It definitely doesn't mean he's a better player.

Well to compare the NBA Champion Lakers to one of the worst recorded teams in NBA history to compare the two just isn't fair...

It also isn't fair to say Lopez > Bynum just because he averages more points.

Dub C wrote:

It also isn't fair to say Lopez > Bynum just because he averages more points.

And rebounds and blocks (by fractions, but still more)
While having more range on his jumpshot
With more attention being focused on him

Raza wrote:

Dub C wrote:

It also isn't fair to say Lopez > Bynum just because he averages more points.

And rebounds and blocks (by fractions, but still more)
While having more range on his jumpshot
With more attention being focused on him

With more touches and a shooting percentage that's 7% lower and a less physical presence inside cuz he likes to chill between 8-10 feet from the hoop. And Bynum plays 7 less minutes, a little bit to keep him healthy, but also because Odom and Gasol play a lot of minutes too. Bynum is also a better finisher.

Just a random Q:

What would Bynum's averages be on a terrible team?

Dub C wrote:

With more touches and a shooting percentage that's 7% lower and a less physical presence inside cuz he likes to chill between 8-10 feet from the hoop. And Bynum plays 7 less minutes, a little bit to keep him healthy, but also because Odom and Gasol play a lot of minutes too. Bynum is also a better finisher.

Again, the shooting percentage is most likely because of Lopez being focused on/double teamed more, while Bynum is free to do his thing with Kobe and Gasol on the court.
Although a physical presence is nice to have, it's not needed. Look at Yao Ming. People consider him the second best (and even first in some cases) center in the NBA, and he's not a low post banger at all...it's all about skills and Lopez has more.

Yao doesn't need to put his body on somebody to deter them from taking an inside shot. He's 7'6." That's the only reason he can get away with not being physical. Anybody that doesn't have that amazing size, it does matter.

Dub C wrote:

Yao doesn't need to put his body on somebody to deter them from taking an inside shot. He's 7'6." That's the only reason he can get away with not being physical. Anybody that doesn't have that amazing size, it does matter.

Well put in Yao's excellent jumpshot (well..standshot), free throw shooting abilities, and great array of post moves, I think he would be fine at 6'11 or 7'0. Not like superstar status, but still like 15/9ish

Lopez has some good power-forward like skills (the better range), but Bynum is a better or equal center in almost every way. Bigger, stronger body. Tougher inside. Better at boxing out. Doesn't need a lot touches to be effective (very important for a center). Bynum is a better finisher at the rim, which is where most centers should be shooting most of their shots, especially since big men shoot pretty bad even on open mid-range shots (even Lopez is below average).

Raza wrote:

Dub C wrote:

Yao doesn't need to put his body on somebody to deter them from taking an inside shot. He's 7'6." That's the only reason he can get away with not being physical. Anybody that doesn't have that amazing size, it does matter.

Well put in Yao's excellent jumpshot (well..standshot), free throw shooting abilities, and great array of post moves, I think he would be fine at 6'11 or 7'0. Not like superstar status, but still like 15/9ish

He would also be more of a power forward. Not a Center Think better version of Yi.

Dub C wrote:

Lopez has some good power-forward like skills (the better range), but Bynum is a better or equal center in almost every way. Bigger, stronger body. Tougher inside. Better at boxing out. Doesn't need a lot touches to be effective (very important for a center). Bynum is a better finisher at the rim, which is where most centers should be shooting most of their shots, especially since big men shoot pretty bad even on open mid-range shots (even Lopez is below average).

Dub C wrote:

He would also be more of a power forward. Not a Center Think better version of Yi.

Well those kill all my arguments
You win, sir.

good match.

Perkins 31?LOL

Lee 12?LOL

Horford?OK..GTFO

bynum=3rd..yess!

Perkins too low.
Lee too low.
Horford way too fucking high
lol @ Hibbert over Bargs
lol @ Brad Miller even being on the list

You gotta imagine perk is gonna have a bad year next year.
Lee should for sure be higher. For sure.
Horford is another year older, gonna have a good year. Not no. 4 C in the leauge high.
Bargs has no Bosh protection. Now he's the no. 1 option. He will die. Hibbert is gonna get big minutes next year.
Maybe he figures he'll play good in the rocket offense? idk

Just sayin... Camby is better than Varajeo...