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Darko NBA Superstar
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| Subject: Question about Greg Oden..? Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:42 pm | |
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YS NBA Superstar
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:29 pm | |
| The article is all for nothing since Oden will be rehabilitating once again.... | |
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Darko NBA Superstar
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:56 am | |
| You didn't read carefully the hall article YS | |
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YS NBA Superstar
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:10 am | |
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Darko NBA Superstar
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:18 am | |
| Have you take a closer look to this part
'Furthemore, Oden is already very close to being the best defensive player in the NBA. Seriously. Oden is leading the league in blocks at 31, block percentage at 7.6, and in defensive rating at 91.8. He is also fourth in the league in defensive win shares at 0.9, and is fifth in the NBA in blocks per game at 2.4 rejections per contest. Again: he is doing all while playing only 24 minutes per game. When Greg Oden is in the game, he is a force of nature on the defensive end. Pure and simple.
He is also among the best rebounders in the NBA, leading the league in total rebounding percentage, is fifth in Defensive Rebound Percentage and eighth in offensive rebound percentage. His rebounds per minute ratio has been near the top of the league this year and last year, with teammate Joel Przybilla as one of his only real challengers.
Offensively, Oden is still quite raw. However, he has made great strides since last year. He has revealed the ability to hit a short jumper, though not with regularity, and has improved both his hook shot and his up-and-under move. He has also improved both his field goal percentage (fourth in the NBA at 59.6%) and his free throw percentage (up to a very respectable 75%). He is getting more shot opportunities, and scoring on them more often.
Strangely, his points per 36 minutes ratio is actually down from a year ago, largely because he is getting less than half as many free throw attempts. This could be a statistical fluke that will even itself out, or it could be due to changes in the Blazers offensive style. It's too early to tell.
Overall, if this were truly Oden's rookie year, and the last two years had never happened, I think most basketball experts would be very impressed with him. His biggest issue is (and remains) his ability to stay on the floor. He continues to lead the league in fouls, and this limits his minutes. Moreover, Nate McMillan is keeping Oden on a very tight leash when it comes to playing time. Once Greg picks up his second foul, he sits the rest of the first half. The Blazers are able to get away with this because they have the best backup center in the NBA in Joel Przybilla.
However, there is no question that Oden has tremendous impact when he is on the floor, and his productivity is staggering. If he were playing regular starter’s minutes (36 per game), his numbers suggest he would produce 14.1 points, 12.5 rebounds and 3.5 blocks per game. Of course, the scoring would be even higher if he was getting to the line more often, perhaps 16-17 points per game.
So then, to ask the ultimate question: how do we judge Oden at this stage? Was he worth a number 1 pick?
Well, his numbers prove he has the potential to average 16 or 17 points, 12.5 rebounds and 3.5 blocks while shooting 59.6% from the field and 75% from the line, and while being rated as the No. 1 defensive player in the NBA.
Of course, when I say he has the potential to do this, I don’t mean he might develop into the kind of player who is capable of doing this. I mean he already is the kind of player who is capable of doing this. He just isn’t staying on the floor long enough for the numbers to show up. | |
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cbi NBA Legend
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:38 pm | |
| So what are you trying to do?
Lead us to beileve Oden is a great defender, soemthing we already know? Or what? | |
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YS NBA Superstar
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:13 pm | |
| As CBI already said... Everyone knows that Oden is a good rebounder and defender..
But thats not gonna make up for him being selected as the #1 overall pick... | |
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No Longer DEAD NBA Veteran
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:16 pm | |
| Oden will be a nice role player...but not a consistent starter...he doesn't have the offensive tools to be anything near Ewing, Olajuwon, all the guys who were compared with him. | |
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Raza NBA Superstar
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:46 pm | |
| I've never heard of "defensive percentage" before...
Oden is going to be out for a majority of this season as well. Will next year be his "rookie year" too? | |
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Raza NBA Superstar
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:47 pm | |
| And I will bet my left foot that the guy who wrote that is a Blazers fan | |
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Tar Heel NBA Veteran
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:21 pm | |
| By 'interesting' do you mean 'compliments Oden so I want to post it'? We know he's good at defense and rebounding. We also know he's (thus far) fragile and has a very limited offensive game. | |
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Darko NBA Superstar
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:00 pm | |
| He'll be great future center if you ask me but i am curious for more opinions.... | |
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EM:) NBA Veteran
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:15 pm | |
| I agree fully I also think that he has made great strides of improvement and his game can only get better. He is no bust. Nobody today has the total package, like the Ewing's, Olajuwon's, etc. of the past. I don't think Oden will be a great player, but he can be a All-star a couple of times. He is a great defender and rebounder at such a young age and w. little NBA exp. Anyways, going back to Oden not having the offensive game over C's of the past. Hell neither do Yao and Dwight and they are the best C's in todays game. In fact I'd take Alonzo Mourning's offense over Dwight's. Even though Zo was a solid 18-20 guy he was most known for his D, but his offense is 50x greater than what DH12 brings to the table. | |
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Darko NBA Superstar
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:23 pm | |
| Well,personally Oden will be great center if you ask me
He'll be an All-Star many times in his career but he will be more known for his overall game.He'll continue to grow as the future hopefully best defensive center and overall center.He has great all around game and has played like a balanced center which is impressive.If he can stay healthy for his career,i don't see troubles for him beeing the best center in the NBA,making a good name for him self,winning lots of rings in the Blazers and making the All-Star over 8 times | |
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KD35 NBA Veteran
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:24 pm | |
| Oden is a great defensive player. He can't stray on the floor though. He's either in foul trouble, or getting injured, etc. With his latest injury I think his ceiling has decreased, and I see him being an All-Star 1-2 times max. Otherwise, he'll be a solid role player, and a defensive center who lacks offensive skill...... He had potential....but the Blazers should have gotten Durant, and paired him up with Aldridge. They'd have their own Big 3 in Roy, Aldridge, and Durant. | |
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Darko NBA Superstar
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| Subject: Re: Question about Greg Oden..? Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:09 am | |
| No Dwayne Oden was a great pick.I think Oden will have 8 All-Star Apearances or more but that's just me He's helping us really.He has skills and potential to be the best center in the NBA which i believe he will be if he shows the better side of his offensive game.He'll live up to his potential and will become a Bill Russell type of a center because of his defensive potential Don't worry guys.Centers that i like,i compare them to great HOF centers | |
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