NBA Draft Game Round One: 4. John vs 5. Raza

4. John
C- Nene
PF- Chris Bosh
SF- Paul Pierce
SG- Kobe Bryant
PG- Monta Ellis
6- Danny Granger
7- Ron Artest
8- Elton Brand

5. Raza
C- Joakhim Noah
PF- Josh Smith
SF- Carmelo Anthony
SG- Kevin Martin
PG- Derrick Rose
6. Lamarcus Aldridge
7. Chauncey Billups
8. Dorell Wright


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:/ you know what.. fuck the polls. Just say who you think should win. I remember the polls causing issues in the past haha.

My bench >>>>>>>>>>>>>> John's bench

Meeeeee

Kevin Martin is poopy though....ehh raza.

I think fate doesn't want John to get past 1st round, ever!

K-Mart is an offensive beast and almost is almost shooting 40% from three and 90 from the free throw line (38 and 89) with 44% FG shooting

He still doesn't play defense and is still mildly inconsistent...but with some open threes from D-Rose's drives and the doubles demanded on Melo...mmmm delicious

John doesn't even have a PG.

Raza

Bulls N' Bears wrote:

John doesn't even have a PG.

Raza

Both kobe and monta were Pg early in there career.

Monta was a pg until steph came.

Monta> Steph

Kobe> Kevin

Paul Pierce< melo

Bosh> Smith

Nene> Noah


2-1 advantage on the bench for raza.

Well Sigh ..

Fuck you guys because I have a better team.

it's just too bad raza doesn't have steph. he has derrick rose. who is much better than monta.

and noah is probably better than nene healthy. problem is noah was not healthy last season.

GIVE NORRIS COLE BACK wrote:

it's just too bad raza doesn't have steph. he has derrick rose. who is much better than monta.

and noah is probably better than nene healthy. problem is noah was not healthy last season.

Well

I just want to win one round

Raza's bench over John's. Dorell Wright is incredibly underrated, killer at 3s. Aldridge is a beast and Billups is good leadership from a veteran. I say Raza's bench is better. John could've used another guard primarily at PG, to take off the bench, instead of getting Pierce, could've just used Granger and used another bench spot for a guard.

Nene> Joakim Noah. Close, but no cigar for Noah.
Chris Bosh=Josh Smith, I think Bosh is an offensive threat when he wants to be but Josh Smith does the little things which really counts so I say this is pretty equal in my opinion.
Paul Pierce<Carmelo Anthony. Nuff said.
Kobe Bryant>Kevin Martin, but Martin is still ridiculously good.
Monta Ellis<Derrick Rose. Rose is a better point guard than Monta Ellis, I think Ellis could've been better utilized at the SG spot rather than PG.

Even though the teams are CLOSE in skill and better players, I think John has too many questionable players on his team that makes it hard to see why he has (Paul Pierce/Granger, two great SF, but you can't utilize both, and no PG).

So, I have to go with Raza, in this match-up.

Are you guys FUCKKING STUPID?

Monta was a pointgaurd and still cn play point.
S

Kobe was also a pointgaurd.

Chris bosh> josh smith..

John has some interesting players.....but IDK if Monta and Kobe playing together is a good thing

I would say that talent wise John's starting lineup is close to Raza's

But at the end of the day Raza's team has way better dynamics and chemistry. The whole Kobe+Monta thing is kinda wack unless u want a fast pace team which can never happen with Brand, Pierce.

So I vote Raza (srry John, better luck in the GM game)

John

Darius Morris <3 wrote:

Are you guys FUCKKING STUPID?

Monta was a pointgaurd and still cn play point.
S

Kobe was also a pointgaurd.

Chris bosh> josh smith..

Your team is good, but it's just a questionable team with the bench and confusing players at certain spots.

Someday I shall win.

Darius Morris <3 wrote:

Are you guys FUCKKING STUPID?

Monta was a pointgaurd and still cn play point.
S

Kobe was also a pointgaurd.

Chris bosh> josh smith..

1) Ya Monta can play point but if u let him play PG in this league today he wouldn't crack the top 10 most effective PGs (Paul, Williams, Rondo, Rose, Westbrook, Billups, Curry, Wall, Nash, Davis/Kidd/Parker/Miller) . As a SG he could crack the top 10 shooting guards though.

2) Kobe @ PG= Fail. He is the best overall wing scorer in the league, why the hell would u put him as a PG? He doesn't exactly have a good track record of being unselfish in big games either -.-

3) Ima huge Bosh fan so I definitely agree with u there. The only problem with using this argument is that Bosh is a ball dominant player at his best.
Bosh with touches= arguably the best PF in the league

Bosh lives off getting the ball on the block and jumpshots. The only really good slasher on ur team is Monta though.

As for Josh Smith he is not as good as Bosh but unlike Bosh he lives off of good passes and fast breaks. Now Rose is a decent passer, and Billups is an excellent passer IMO. And Raza's team looks totally built for the fastbreak. So Smith will be more effective than u think

(Oh yeah....Lamarcus Aldridge had a way better season than both of them just sayin)

Darius Morris <3 wrote:

Are you guys FUCKKING STUPID?

Monta was a pointgaurd and still cn play point.
S

Kobe was also a pointgaurd.

Chris bosh> josh smith..

When did Monta ever play PG?

His rookie year, the Warriors had Fisher and Davis. His second year, they still had davis. His third year, he only played 25 games and Watso/Jamal crawford played the most minutes as PG for the Warriors. The last 2 years, Curry has been there.

Just because Monta has played minutes at PG before deosn't mean he "was a Point guard."

Same with Kobe.. he's just played minutes at PG, doesn't make him one. Technically, players like Pierce have also played minutes at Pg... doesn't make him a PG either.

Bulls N' Bears wrote:

Darius Morris <3 wrote:

Are you guys FUCKKING STUPID?

Monta was a pointgaurd and still cn play point.
S

Kobe was also a pointgaurd.

Chris bosh> josh smith..

When did Monta ever play PG?

His rookie year, the Warriors had Fisher and Davis. His second year, they still had davis. His third year, he only played 25 games and Watso/Jamal crawford played the most minutes as PG for the Warriors. The last 2 years, Curry has been there.

Just because Monta has played minutes at PG before deosn't mean he "was a Point guard."

Same with Kobe.. he's just played minutes at PG, doesn't make him one. Technically, players like Pierce have also played minutes at Pg... doesn't make him a PG either.

Acctully In kobes first and second year

Kobe came of the bench as a pointgaurd..

But I understand that they don't hav pg games..

and raza's team is better

Darius Morris <3 wrote:

Bulls N' Bears wrote:

Darius Morris <3 wrote:

Are you guys FUCKKING STUPID?

Monta was a pointgaurd and still cn play point.
S

Kobe was also a pointgaurd.

Chris bosh> josh smith..

When did Monta ever play PG?

His rookie year, the Warriors had Fisher and Davis. His second year, they still had davis. His third year, he only played 25 games and Watso/Jamal crawford played the most minutes as PG for the Warriors. The last 2 years, Curry has been there.

Just because Monta has played minutes at PG before deosn't mean he "was a Point guard."

Same with Kobe.. he's just played minutes at PG, doesn't make him one. Technically, players like Pierce have also played minutes at Pg... doesn't make him a PG either.

Acctully In kobes first and second year

Kobe came of the bench as a pointgaurd..

But I understand that they don't hav pg games..

and raza's team is better

oh really? 'cause last time I checked, Van exel was the Lakers starting PG Kobe's rookie season. He played 37 MPG. Fisher came off the bench and played 11 MPG.

Kobe's second season, Exel was still there and Fishers minutes incresed to 21.5 MPG.

Again, Kobe played minutes at PG... he never actually played PG for full games for a long period of time.

Bulls N' Bears wrote:

Darius Morris <3 wrote:

Bulls N' Bears wrote:

Darius Morris <3 wrote:

Are you guys FUCKKING STUPID?

Monta was a pointgaurd and still cn play point.
S

Kobe was also a pointgaurd.

Chris bosh> josh smith..

When did Monta ever play PG?

His rookie year, the Warriors had Fisher and Davis. His second year, they still had davis. His third year, he only played 25 games and Watso/Jamal crawford played the most minutes as PG for the Warriors. The last 2 years, Curry has been there.

Just because Monta has played minutes at PG before deosn't mean he "was a Point guard."

Same with Kobe.. he's just played minutes at PG, doesn't make him one. Technically, players like Pierce have also played minutes at Pg... doesn't make him a PG either.

Acctully In kobes first and second year

Kobe came of the bench as a pointgaurd..

But I understand that they don't hav pg games..

and raza's team is better

oh really? 'cause last time I checked, Van exel was the Lakers starting PG Kobe's rookie season. He played 37 MPG. Fisher came off the bench and played 11 MPG.

Kobe's second season, Exel was still there and Fishers minutes incresed to 21.5 MPG.

Again, Kobe played minutes at PG... he never actually played PG for full games for a long period of time.

I read it in a book..

That was made in about kobe's 2 or 3rd year..

and all they said was

Point gaurd bryant...

I read this a long time ago so Im probally wrong.

Thanks for explaining

Monta CAN play the point and Kobe CAN play the point

However, they play point when there are no other scorers on the floor and they want to save the hassle of passing the ball to the SG

Raza.