Yay the Knicks-Lakers game where Allan Houston scored 53 on Kobe and the Lakers

is playing on Knicks in 60 on MSG. Fish has hair. Robert Horry is still playing. And Sprewell was beastly. Shaq did not play that game so the Knicks W was tainted, Kobe attempted 41 shots against the Spurs the game before was 19-41 and in this game against NY he dropped 40 to Houston's 53 some great moves all game long. And lol @ Howard Eisley and Samaki Walker who started in place of Shaq.

...yay?

You ought to be happy, Tony; Nate Robinson is playing very well tonight for Boston.

CAguyofftoUNC wrote:

...yay?

You ought to be happy, Tony; Nate Robinson is playing very well tonight for Boston.

LMAO! Tony is going to come back and heavily dispute: 1. he should be happy 2. Nate is playing well

Lol...yeah, he won't be happy, but I don't think you can dispute Nate played well...he's a tremendous asshole and thinks he's great when he's a role player at best, but he's done all you could ask of him tonight if your a Celtics fan...except for a dumb technical.

good night for him tonight did not watch the game but based on the stat sheet it seemed he's played well. I haven't seen the game so I don't know the whole story of his performance and that would have been a better indication to just his stats. But, if you say so that he played well then it's worth a look on Sportscenter or something. Congrats Nate...I still don't think he's anything special but a decent player.

CAguyofftoUNC wrote:

Lol...yeah, he won't be happy, but I don't think you can dispute Nate played well...he's a tremendous asshole and thinks he's great when he's a role player at best, but he's done all you could ask of him tonight if your a Celtics fan...except for a dumb technical.

Why's Nate an asshole? Or nothing more than a role player? His minutes have been limited, but has he had a bad game in these Finals yet? He's been a huge spark for Boston.

In just over 40 minutes this series, he has 24 points, 6 assists, and just 1 turnover. He also has 4 rebounds and a steal. 15 of those minutes have come in the 4th quarter, and in both of those situations he played very well on both sides of the ball. He might be better served as a 6th man than starter, but I think he's proven he might deserve a little more playing time than he's getting.

8-17, 4-9, 4-4. That's a total shooting percentage of around 60% plus the energy and play-making ability he's brought off the bench. The only bad player I can remember is the technical in this game. He's played good basketball, but more importantly smart basketball. Boston should bring him back and try him alongside Rondo at some point. That backcourt would be hard to keep up with in transition.

If your like 4th or 5th player on a Knicks team where half it's players like him did not give a shit you may have some talent but your a role player. Nate is nothing more than that he isn't even top 50 best in what he does best his offense in the league nor top 20 best offensive SG. So it's ptretty safe to say he's a role player. But good game from him he's a sparkplug but nothing more really. Mike Dunleavy Jr. when healthy is a 19 PPG/5 RPG guy consistently and he's not an "All-Star" or anything that's not a role-player and he's better than Nate so what's that say. He's not a PG he's an undersized SG but that's what he plays SG.

Mike Dunleavy sucks :/

even with those stats he has absolutely no impact on most games

and nate was not your 4th or 5th best player. he led u guys in scoring when he played...

Tony,what's the point?

[quote="Dub C"]Mike Dunleavy sucks :/

even with those stats he has absolutely no impact on most games

and nate was not your 4th or 5th best player. he led u guys in scoring when he played...[/quote/}

Mike Dunleavy would beat Nate Robinson any day of the week. And no Nate Robinson did not lead us in scoring Al Harrington did. David Lee did this year and Harrington was 2nd. And don't give me Harrington played more minutes bull cause Harrington's minutes have been severely cut @ 6 man. Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari are better than Nate as well if you say Nate is better than them that's just crazy they don't go up and gunning like Nate and can have a better impact offensively and are better offensive and overall players. Anyone of these guys can beat Nate handily. That would make him 5th best in NY when he was here. Hell Bill Walker looks like he'd be better than Nate. There's nothing special about him you hype him up to be something that he isn't he can be a decent player at best he's a more talented Gerald Green nothing more.

Nate Robinson is shooting 39% this postseason.

GTFO.

Stupid point^^^. He didnt play earlier in the postseason. He's getting minutes now in the finals and shooting 47
% from the field,44 from 3. earlier n the post season he would come in for 3-4 minutes put up 2 shots and miss em both and his FG% goes down..I say dont pay attention to FG% unless someone takes a decent amount of shots.

nate sonly 26..this guys gonna be legit.

Iced GrapeFruit wrote:

Stupid point^^^. He didnt play earlier in the postseason. He's getting minutes now in the finals and shooting 47
% from the field,44 from 3. earlier n the post season he would come in for 3-4 minutes put up 2 shots and miss em both and his FG% goes down..I say dont pay attention to FG% unless someone takes a decent amount of shots.

He's right.

Iced GrapeFruit wrote:

nate sonly 26..this guys gonna be legit.

I take this back..he will be a good role player though.

TonyEM: I Inspire wrote:

Dub C wrote:

Mike Dunleavy sucks :/

even with those stats he has absolutely no impact on most games

and nate was not your 4th or 5th best player. he led u guys in scoring when he played...

Mike Dunleavy would beat Nate Robinson any day of the week. And no Nate Robinson did not lead us in scoring Al Harrington did. David Lee did this year and Harrington was 2nd. And don't give me Harrington played more minutes bull cause Harrington's minutes have been severely cut @ 6 man. Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari are better than Nate as well if you say Nate is better than them that's just crazy they don't go up and gunning like Nate and can have a better impact offensively and are better offensive and overall players. Anyone of these guys can beat Nate handily. That would make him 5th best in NY when he was here. Hell Bill Walker looks like he'd be better than Nate. There's nothing special about him you hype him up to be something that he isn't he can be a decent player at best he's a more talented Gerald Green nothing more.

Harrington did play solid amount more minutes. How is that not a good point? Harrington had 51 starts last season to Nate's 11 and averaged 35 minutes to Nate's 29. Chandler also averaged more minutes last season (33) and had 70 starts. And Nate actually isn't all that turnover prone. He averaged 9.4 ast/reb/stl/blk to 1.3 turnovers in 2008-2009, while the rest of the Knicks:

Harrington - 9.2/2.3 (09), 8.4/1.8 (10)
Chandler 9.3/1.7 (09), 9/1.7 (10)
Galinari - 8.2/1.4 (10)

All 3 of these players averaged more minutes this season than Nate did last season. These numbers actually show that Nate is as or more productive in his lesser minutes than all 3 of these players and doesn't average a large number more turnovers than any of them despite being a guard, who has the ball in his hands more.

I've been over this with you before though, and then your argument was he didn't play any defense and couldn't play within a team concept. He's doing exactly that in the Finals right now despite still not having a firm grasp on the team's offense or defense. He's hustling, and making smart plays on the court. He also just turned 26. He's still young, has a strong body, and is one of the most athletic players in the NBA. He's going to get more chances to show what he can do, and if he continues to improve his mental game, he's going to be more than just a role player.

Hilarious.

Why if Nate develops his mental game would he be more than a role player? He is not good at anything besides being athletic and being a sparkplug. He is no John Starks if you want a sparkplug who worked his tail off to become a All-Star and 6th Man look no further than him.

Why in your opinion is Nate better than Harrington? Say what you want about Harrington and his propensity to be a black hole out there and ingest shot attempts for himself. But the thing is that he's still one of the most all-around scorers around he's extremely versatile. He played 35 MPG last season cause Gallo was injured almost all season long and played in only 20+ games. Scoring 2 40 point games along with 10+ rebounds this year off the bench is no joke and Harrington also had a 37 point game this season as well off the bench injured too.

As for David Lee. David Lee has made more strides in his game than Nate has done. Lee is more talented as a player and works harder as well. He's a better offensive player even especially when he will incorporate a three into his game. Nate Robinson has 2 40 point games and misses a lot most of the time and continues jacking shots up yet you call him someone that can take over a game. David Lee scored 2 37 point games and a lot of 30-35 games (more than Nate). And you say that Lee can't take over a game offensively. That's total bologna. Lee has a smooth perimeter game from 15-20 out these days and shoots from the perimeter a lot nowadays and yet he's still efficient and can score more off of less shots than Nate.

Don't get me started on Gallo and Chandler they are younger than Nate by 5-6 years respectively and already they have flirted with 40 point performances. Not to mention they've proved to be more consistent than Nate.

Mr All Around needs rings wrote:

Tony,what's the point?

Point is I <3 Allan Houston and glad to see they were showing that game cause for one like I mentioned before Houston is my boy and also I worked all day and wanted to lay back and chill. Seeing that game was sweet. What was great about his 53 point performance @ Staples Center against the Lakers was that a couple of games later he dropped 50 on the Milwaukee Bucks @ the Garden.

i didn't bring lee into the conversation...you did. chandler doesn't exactly have a superhigh ceiling. he seems like he'd end up being a nice versatile wing. nate has also shown the ability to come off the bench and do a lot of the things that harrington can. he can drive the lane and score and knock down threes with good success. he's an underrated passer and until this season never really saw an opportunity to play good team defense. the knicks were just plain awful in that department and still are. harrington clearly has nowhere to go and is only becoming more and more unable to do anything but knock down jumpers. nate is better all-around than any of the guys i've listed, but his biggest problem is his size. sometimes that great athleticism doesn't translate for him because he's got to make up such a big height differential. it's that reason that i also think he probably won't be better than a 6th man or high scoring option on a mediocre team. but that's still more than a role player. when i think of role players i think of jared dudley, jj redick, delonte west, etc. nate has already done more than any of these guys has as far as being a scoring option or play maker. nate's got room to grow, but he's already a pretty good player that became the d'antoni's scapegoat for defensive and team issues. he'll be fine in boston or wherever he goes this off-season.

Dub C wrote:

i didn't bring lee into the conversation...you did. chandler doesn't exactly have a superhigh ceiling. he seems like he'd end up being a nice versatile wing. nate has also shown the ability to come off the bench and do a lot of the things that harrington can. he can drive the lane and score and knock down threes with good success. he's an underrated passer and until this season never really saw an opportunity to play good team defense. the knicks were just plain awful in that department and still are. harrington clearly has nowhere to go and is only becoming more and more unable to do anything but knock down jumpers. nate is better all-around than any of the guys i've listed, but his biggest problem is his size. sometimes that great athleticism doesn't translate for him because he's got to make up such a big height differential. it's that reason that i also think he probably won't be better than a 6th man or high scoring option on a mediocre team. but that's still more than a role player. when i think of role players i think of jared dudley, jj redick, delonte west, etc. nate has already done more than any of these guys has as far as being a scoring option or play maker. nate's got room to grow, but he's already a pretty good player that became the d'antoni's scapegoat for defensive and team issues. he'll be fine in boston or wherever he goes this off-season.

I disagree Chandler can be an All-Star for sure and is better all-around than Nate. He's 1 of the few good defenders we have, is as athletic as Nate and taller, and is just a good as scorer and is more consistent. Nate is not an underrated passer if you'd watch Nate he gets himself into a lot of mess and turns the ball over @ the worst times. He may not turn the ball over per game all that much but he does it at the worst times and he gets swarmed and still does not give the ball up all the time and a lot of his assists have been bad passes that he gets lucky on.

Chandler will be more than just a good swingman. This guy was averaging 20/6 for nearly 2 months and he is our 2nd most consistent player finished up with 15.3/5.4 and had a number of high 30+ point games as well. He can break 40 easy. He's def better than Nate and will be for years he's gonna be just 23 years old. Plus he played this season coming off off-season surgery last summer. Then during this season he played through a broken nurse that was not released to the public until he was forced to sit out the last month of the season by management due to a groin injury he had been playing through for most of the season. And this season he will have off-season surgery again, but his ceiling is still high he can do everything on the court it's just a matter of keep maturing.

And you think Nate is the only player that Mike D doghoused? He's verbally assaulted Al Harrington, doghoused Eddy Curry for 2 years, doghoused Eddie House ( a former player of his), doghoused Duhon (deservingly), and doghoused Larry Hughes. In fact the only players that I heard him say anything positive about is Lee, Gallo, Chandler, & later on Douglas. Even with Walker's promising play down the stretch he said that Walker should lose weight this off-season rather than say anything positive. BTW Nate deserved getting doghoused he made a lot of dumb decisions and Hughes was on a hot streak in that stretch and NY won 5 in a row and were .500+ through a month and 1/2

Iced GrapeFruit wrote:

Stupid point^^^. He didnt play earlier in the postseason. He's getting minutes now in the finals and shooting 47
% from the field,44 from 3. earlier n the post season he would come in for 3-4 minutes put up 2 shots and miss em both and his FG% goes down..I say dont pay attention to FG% unless someone takes a decent amount of shots.

Superb point

I love H20. He's a big part of the Knicks franchise and he's our head assistant for Walsh and talent scout he will play a huge role in luring in whoever we obtain. Houston knows what it takes to play for NY and the pressures it can bring. Wettest jumper in the game after Ray Ray. Damn I miss H20.



http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/sports/watch/v16169138tRk9Jxbm
http://www.celebirony.com/hitech/en/m/Athletes/Allan_Houston/Video.htm.

TonyEM: I Inspire wrote:

I love H20. He's a big part of the Knicks franchise and he's our head assistant for Walsh and talent scout he will play a huge role in luring in whoever we obtain. Houston knows what it takes to play for NY and the pressures it can bring. Wettest jumper in the game after Ray Ray. Damn I miss H20.



http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/sports/watch/v16169138tRk9Jxbm
http://www.celebirony.com/hitech/en/m/Athletes/Allan_Houston/Video.htm.

Go to YM.

TonyEM: I Inspire wrote:

Chandler will be more than just a good swingman. This guy was averaging 20/6 for nearly 2 months and he is our 2nd most consistent player finished up with 15.3/5.4 and had a number of high 30+ point games as well.

Two clearly incorrect statements. Chandler didn't average 20 points in any SINGLE month, so how in the world could he average it over 2 months? His highest scoring month was January where he averaged 17.7 points. In that month he also averaged a season high in shots take and in turnovers. He also only averaged 6 rebounds or more per game in 3 games in October and in 7 games in April. In those two months, he averaged 13.7 and 15.4 points, respectively. So not once did he really come that close to 20 and 6. Chandler's career high is 35 points. That's not exactly high 30s. That game was the ONLY one this season where he eclipsed 30 points and it was after playing 46 minutes against the KINGS in a LOSS.

You know what other kinds of players have put up total numbers similar to Chandler? Kelenna Azubuike. He's nothing more than a decent versatile wing. Al Thornton did it his rookie season and never became anything. Marvin Williams same thing. See the pattern?

Also, Al Harrington ever really lose significant playing time? Did Eddy Curry ever even get significant playing time? Any of the players you're talking about get BENCHED when completely healthy? And I don't mean a drop to the bench and a cut in minutes. I mean NOT PLAY for about a month. No, that didn't happen. So it's unfair to take one player on such a poor defensive team (also a team that makes plenty of dumb mistakes top to bottom) and single him out as the issue. D'Antoni was the one misusing Nate. He didn't set any boundaries or limitations for him when he was on the court. He just threw out lineups and let them play. Now that Nate is on a team with structure, he's making way less dumb mistakes.

The thing about turning it over at the worst time? Every turnover is a bad turnover. That doesn't make sense to say Nate is more turnover prone because you think his turnovers are the worst. I noticed you said he dribbles himself into defensive trouble. Now that's a solid point, but against D'Antoni's handling of Nate. Definitely some of that goes to the player, but D'Antoni just let him play and when he didn't do it right he clearly didn't help him correct it. Again, now that Nate is in a better situation, even in his limited playing time, you don't see him dribbling places he shouldn't go.

You're allowed to think what you want about New York's young players, but they're putting up average stats for a poor team. That means very little in the NBA. Their numbers are comparable to average NBA players, so the logical outcome would be that they become average NBA players themselves. Before you go and talk about their potential again, let me remind you that the 3 players I compared to Chandler all put up those numbers in their first or second full season.