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King Of NJ NBA Veteran
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| Subject: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:42 pm | |
| this loss at home to the Nets was embarrassing and pathetic
this team is going nowhere with and a pathetic coach like Vinny Del Negro
I give up on this team. A 32 point loss and a loss to a 1-19 team at home is sad.
Fire Del Negro!! thats the best way this loss will help
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Straight Edge Bluntness NBA Superstar
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:08 am | |
| All I can say right now is... Wow... You must be real upset. I wonder how Nenad is feeling right now as well since you both are Bulls fans. Damn, sorry to hear. You think your coach should be fired though? | |
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King Of NJ NBA Veteran
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:00 am | |
| Yes, Del Negro is not a good coach at all and I never liked him. It was a poor hiring in the 1st place.
Instead of improving this team has gotten worse over the last year.
A dissappointing 7-12 start doesn't cut it.
When you lose to a 1-19 team at home that's pathetitc. I like the Nets so I'm not too mad about it and am semi happy the Nets won
but a good thing that can come out of this loss is if Del Negro gets fired | |
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brownie13 NBA Legend
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:00 am | |
| - Ga Tech 2009 ACC Champs wrote:
- Instead of improving this team has gotten worse over the last year.
How exactly were they suppose to get better? They gave up their only decent outside shooter and brought no one else back in to replace him (Jannero Pargo?) They had the option to go after somebody like Von Wafer, or any other decent shooter from the perimeter. The Bulls biggest problem is that they can't spread the floor on offense, which is more of a personnel problem than a coaching one. Salmons has simply lost his shooting stroke, and it seems that his numbers last season were due to nothing more than a fluke season. This past off-season, not only did Von Wafer head overseas, but Quentin Richardson and Rasual Butler were essentially given away (Richardson was given away 3 times). I'm not sure what was with the Bull's front office being so cheap this off-season. They could have easily made a move to replace Ben Gordon for this season and still been the same players in the 2010 free agency market, but they chose not to. I really don't see how Vinnie Del Negro is to blame for that. Players on the team are improving and the team is getting better, especially in the front court. Tyrus Thomas made major strides last season and Joakim Noah is making even more impressive improvements this season. The problem for the Bulls right now is that Derrick Rose is not really the type of point guard for a team that lacks players to knock down a jump shot consistently, because he himself doesn't even have a very good one. Either someone in the front office felt content to wait a year and do nothing until 2010, or the Bulls' front office is just plain cheap. Either way, if they don't improve their record, they won't have much of a shot at signing a great player anyway. | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:05 am | |
| How the fuck were they suppose to get better? They gave up their only decent outside shooter and brought no one else back in to replace him (Jannero Pargo?????? LMAO) They had the option to go after somebody like Von Wafer, or any other decent shooter from the perimeter. The Bulls biggest problem is that they can't spread the floor on offense, which is more of a personnel problem than a coaching one. Salmons has simply lost his shooting stroke, and it seems that his numbers last season were due to nothing more than a fluke season. This past off-season, not only did Von Wafer head overseas, but Quentin Richardson and Rasual Butler were essentially given away (Richardson was given away 3 times).
I'm not sure what was with the Bull's front office being so Goddamn cheap this off-season. They could have easily made a move to replace Ben Gordon for this season and still been the same players in the 2010 free agency market, but there retarded asses chose not to. I really don't see how Vinnie Del Negro is to blame for that. Players on the team are improving and the team is getting better, especially in the front court. Tyrus Thomas made major strides last season and Joakim Noah is making even more impressive improvements this season. The problem for the Bulls right now is that Derrick Rose is not really the type of point guard for a team that lacks muthafuckas that can knock down a jump shot consistently, because he himself doesn't even have a very good one. Either someone in the front office felt content to wait a year and do nothing until 2010, or the Bulls' front office is just fuckincheap. Either way, if they don't improve their record, they won't have much of a shot at signing a great player anyway. | |
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brownie13 NBA Legend
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:27 am | |
| Really gave it a personal touch, huh Visa? | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:33 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:48 pm | |
| nahhh Del Negro isn't the Problem. I don't think any coach can help us right now. You can have the best coach in the world, but you still need the players to go out there and put the ball in the basket.
I think our front office is the problem. I was okay with ben gordon leaving IF we drafted a good outside shooter. Instead we drafted Taj Gibson, a PF, and Johson a SF who we aren' even playing. I know wayne ellington isn't playing that great, but he is a great shooter and he was sitting there in the draft and we passed on him to draft something we don't need.
After that happened.. I didn't expect us to be any good this year. The bulls made it obvious that they are planning on signing a big name in 2010. I'm cool with that if we actually get a big name. Knowing the bulls, they won't offer enough money to anyone and we'll walk away empty handed....again. | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:48 pm | |
| Basically, hiring Vinny Del Negro was a knee jerk reaction towards Mike D'Antoni refusing Chicago's proposal & coming to New York. In the first place Mike D'Antoni & Vinny Del Negro shouldn't have even be in the running for Chicago's Head Coach position because what you guys did to Skiles was not only wrong, but stupid.
Skiles is a defensive specialist as tough a coach and proven as they come. It was not his fault that Chicago had the season they did. They were injured, Ben Wallace was seeing $ signs in his head and was injured and didn't play up to his contract worth, and other reasons why Skiles last season didn't go so well translated into the Bulls not doing so well. He did some great stuff with you guys for 3 years and with Rose/Salmons/and the rest of this young nucleus he would have done a better job with them than what Del Negro is doing. | |
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Darko NBA Superstar
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:51 pm | |
| Wow,Konj
You seem disturbed.You guys have to get another good scoring threat that will make this team good force | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:48 pm | |
| - Longhorns wrote:
- nahhh Del Negro isn't the Problem. I don't think any coach can help us right now. You can have the best coach in the world, but you still need the players to go out there and put the ball in the basket.
I think our front office is the problem. I was okay with ben gordon leaving IF we drafted a good outside shooter. Instead we drafted Taj Gibson, a PF, and Johson a SF who we aren' even playing. I know wayne ellington isn't playing that great, but he is a great shooter and he was sitting there in the draft and we passed on him to draft something we don't need.
After that happened.. I didn't expect us to be any good this year. The bulls made it obvious that they are planning on signing a big name in 2010. I'm cool with that if we actually get a big name. Knowing the bulls, they won't offer enough money to anyone and we'll walk away empty handed....again. I agree with getting a big name. I was just a little annoyed and why I made this topic. Everybody on our board on ESPN.com said to fire him too. I hope we sign somebody in 2010. Maybe without Ben Gordon we weren't going to get better but we shouldn't be playing this poorly. We played well to statrt the year but lost 8 of the last 9. Luol Deng didn't play most at the end of last year either and he's doing really great plus Noah has improved I just hate losing and really can't stand losing especially games you should win. At least one positive is Derrick Rose is picking it up again and had 27pts,and 10 assts against a good PG like Devin Harris. Rose has been playing alot better lately. His jumpshot just needs more work still I think we should at least be a .500 team with the players the team we have. Next year we definately need a big signing Im just so pissed. Im happy about the Nets though. | |
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King Of NJ NBA Veteran
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:06 pm | |
| and VDN is just unprepared and poorly coaches many games. Theres no way you should lose by 32 and than to the worst team in the NBA the next day.
He hasnt gotten this team ready to play or made smart in game decisions
John Salmons shot was moronic though.
I'd hope he gets fired and Bernie Bickerstaff coaches the rest of the year than get Avery Johnson | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:11 pm | |
| - King Of NJ wrote:
- Longhorns wrote:
- nahhh Del Negro isn't the Problem. I don't think any coach can help us right now. You can have the best coach in the world, but you still need the players to go out there and put the ball in the basket.
I think our front office is the problem. I was okay with ben gordon leaving IF we drafted a good outside shooter. Instead we drafted Taj Gibson, a PF, and Johson a SF who we aren' even playing. I know wayne ellington isn't playing that great, but he is a great shooter and he was sitting there in the draft and we passed on him to draft something we don't need.
After that happened.. I didn't expect us to be any good this year. The bulls made it obvious that they are planning on signing a big name in 2010. I'm cool with that if we actually get a big name. Knowing the bulls, they won't offer enough money to anyone and we'll walk away empty handed....again. I agree with getting a big name. I was just a little annoyed and why I made this topic. Everybody on our board on ESPN.com said to fire him too.
I hope we sign somebody in 2010. Maybe without Ben Gordon we weren't going to get better but we shouldn't be playing this poorly. We played well to statrt the year but lost 8 of the last 9. Luol Deng didn't play most at the end of last year either and he's doing really great plus Noah has improved
I just hate losing and really can't stand losing especially games you should win.
At least one positive is Derrick Rose is picking it up again and had 27pts,and 10 assts against a good PG like Devin Harris. Rose has been playing alot better lately. His jumpshot just needs more work still
I think we should at least be a .500 team with the players the team we have. Next year we definately need a big signing
Im just so pissed. Im happy about the Nets though. Well I was saying this back in June... if we lose ben gordon and we don't sign another shooter... we're screwed. It's way too easy to play D against the bulls since they have no outside threat. Luol Deng is overrated imo. And only because of the contract they gave him. If he was making 10 million a year.. then w/e. But he'll be making 16 million by next year. I don't see why the bulls would give a guy like Deng that kinda money, but they won't sign someone else who is actually worth 16 million. Makes no sense to me. | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:15 pm | |
| Can the Bulls defend the 3?
Because if they really don't have an outside threat then I'm kind of liking the Knicks chances against CHI given that we have the tendency to shoot the 3 a hell of a lot and if the 3 ball is falling then good for us. Plus, we are notoriously known for being one of the poorest teams in defending the 3 ball in the NBA, so if the 3 ball isn't a main repritoire for the Bulls I like NY's chances. | |
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King Of NJ NBA Veteran
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:17 pm | |
| I agree. I wasn't too thrilled with the money we gave Luol Deng. I don't think it was the right decision to fire Scott Skiles a few years back as said by Tony EM.
VDN is a terrible coach. I'd rather have the assisstant Bernie Bickerstaff who has more money become head coach.
Or get Avery Johnson as head coach in the offseason because he's a PG and can teach Derrick Rose like he did when he made Devin Harris into a really good PG.
Deng's not a great shooter or overrated but is overpaid big time. He's a great defender,good rebounder,and has been scoring this year though.
I think if the Al Harrington deal is on the table we have to get it done because he can hit the outside shot and stretch the D out, and that's what we need.
On the offseason I'm opitimistic we'll be able to get a star. At least some injured players will be back soon, and the schedule won't be as difficult.
I think we should've had between 9-11 wins at this point rather than being a dismal 7-12.
Rose is starting to pick it up and is getting better as the season goes on though.
But this team needs help | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:18 pm | |
| well our D isnt THAT bad. we give up about 98 PPG... the thing is, we only average 91 PPG. | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:24 pm | |
| I know Ben Gordon isn't a long term answer, but the Bulls are missing his offensive output. Plus him and Rose clicked well together. | |
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King Of NJ NBA Veteran
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:24 pm | |
| Our defense is good.
Al Harrington is a liability on defense maybe if we could somehow trade for him but he's a really good scorer and can shoot the ball and that's what we need the most.
We finally scored 100 points yesterday but fell short. I'm still pissed John Salmons took that stupid 3. It was a Larry Hughes like shot.
We should be good enough to make the playoffs. We lost a few tough games and tough ones on the road.
We could've cameback home against the Raptors and Nets and went to 9-10 but instead fell to 7-12 with a likely loss on the road tonight.
We may only win 1 game in the next week and I think it's time for a new coach.
Luol Deng had 27 points and 9 rebounds last night and wasn't a reason we lost. He's been playing really well this season. Taj Gibson had 20 points last night.
Our defense failed us in the game last night. Rose is playing better
It was just frustrating to lose 2 straight at home to under .500 teams | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:25 pm | |
| Knicks play CHI twice this month, Dec. 17 & Dec. 22. I'm going to the 22nd one @ MSG... Keep the hope in your team alive the Bulls are not a bad team. I went and saw them live @ the United Center against the Charlotte Bobcats.
Oh a Larry Hughes shot lol those can give one the wtf facial expression from time to time. Anyways, I think that trade Tyrus for Harrington has pretty much died off man. Walsh has made it public that he is not okay trading Harrington as of right now. Harrington said his place in NY is safe. Nate Robinson to POR or elsewhere rumors are now beginning to circulate you guys should try your luck with him. Especially, now that Kirk Hinrich is injured. | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:30 pm | |
| tbh, I didnt even watch the game. out of 19 games so far, I have only seen like 6. The bulls are seriously boring right now. Tyrus thomas will bring some excitment when he comes back, but for now... I can't watch a team thats only gonna get 90 PPG. i swear, if we don't get a big name this upcoming summer... im not gonna watch them next year!! hahaha jk. but its getting out of hand.
and yeah Rose is starting to improve as the season goes along, but that usnt enough. His jumper is still shaky and he has no great shooter to pass the ball to.....which sucks for him. also, he's been turing the ball over WAY too much | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:34 pm | |
| I honestly think if Wade leaves MIA he'll go to the CHI. He's no shooter though he'd def give you more scoring, but if he does decide to go back to the CHI I suggest you welcome his decision with open arms and bring in a shooter with potential to be good in this league, but never given much of a chance. Someone like Steve Novak... | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:37 pm | |
| I like Wade.... but I don't want him on the Bulls. He'll be 28 in a month and has a history of injuries. That'll catch up to him in a couple of years. It's just too risky. I would rather have a guy like bosh over Wade. But right now, I won't be picky. ANYONE will do haha. | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:41 pm | |
| Bulls beat the Bobcats when I went to that game. I brought them good luck | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:44 pm | |
| oh so you got tickets afterall, huh? hahaha
where did you sit? | |
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| Subject: Re: Time for the Bulls to Vinny Del Negro Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:51 pm | |
| 209 level I went with 2 friends of mine and we stayed in Chicago that night. The seats were pretty good and there was a good crowd. Joakim Noah surprised the shit out of me he played very well that game. I wanted to go and see a game before X-Mas break, but I can't. I'll see the Bulls v. Knicks though @ MSG, but I'm not gonna root for the Bulls here though if that's okay. | |
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